Simon, On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:25 PM, simon <[email protected]> wrote:
> What we actually need is to reach the point where we create more resources > than we collectively spend, in a renewable fashion. > Can you describe how such a system might work, e.g. why would anyone bother participating in such a system if they already get all they need or want without participating? The rest is futilities. > ... I think you mean workaround until we find a good path forward. *Steve* ============ > > > Simon > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:09:41 -0800 > Subject: Re: [agi] Humans for Transparency in Artificial Intelligence > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > OK, so what we seem to need is a clear statement of how an alternative > FUNCTIONAL economy might work, and a blueprint of how to morph from here to > there without the population starving halfway through the process. > > I envision a sort of split economy, where everyone is guaranteed a low > level of support, e.g. a place to pitch their tent, nutritious food, > Internet access, etc. However, if they want more, like a nice home and a > new car, they can supplement their VERY basic income by working, > innovating, etc. In short, socialism at the bottom, and capitalism at the > top. > > The 1% effect could easily be fixed with a small wealth tax on all assets > not otherwise taxed - stocks, bonds, savings, etc., akin to zakat, so that > non-productive wealth would eventually be redistributed. > > What do YOU see as a desirable achievable future. > > *Steve* > ============== > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:23 AM, justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: > > All the people you mentioned stand for the same broken monetary system, > cancerous "growth" and 2-3 billion #bullshitjobs which are destroying us > and our planet. > > It's quite interesting how people talk about differences between Clinton > and Trump when there basically are none on a fundamental level ... > > Also, implementing a #basicincome within the current broken monetary > system is stupid. The system will collapse anyway and you'll just hear a > lot of "Our economy collapses because of communist ideas such as the > #basicincome!!!" propaganda ... which is not helping the idea at all. As > long as people don't question the way we create money as interest-bearing > debt and as long as people don't understand that "growth" and "more jobs" > are the last things we need, there will be no politician to talk about > those things ... > > > On 12.03.2016 05:38, Logan Streondj wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm just happy I don't live in US of A. > > I like my cold low density Canada, > w00t w00t Trudeau w00t w00t > Leader of the future. > > Basic income, legal MJ nation wide, > actually talking to advisors and people, > gender and ethnically diverse cabinet. > > It's like Canadian banks and Credit Unions, > just everyone loves them, they are so helpful and kind. > > Everyone is polite and friendly, (in small cities anyways), > smiles, hellos and how are you's everywhere you go, > and not just "have a good day" but "have a great day"! > > If you're different, that's just cause for bigger smiles, > cause it's always wonderful to see something new and different, > with diversity is strength in our collage of culture. > > Like it's just so marvelous and great, > profound joy swimming in plethora of goodness. > > Though I dono maybe it's all the meditation. > *shrugs* > > I guess Trump is like the antithesis of Trudeau, > with whoever wins, Bernie, Clinton or Trump, > I don't see it making much difference. > All of them will wage wars overseas, > all of them will support Israel, > even Trump as it's a "strategic ally", > so to me I don't really care. > > Not that I have anything against Israel, > though some governments aren't supporting them, > due to Palestine conflicts and such. > > Only difference might be internal, > Trump will give tax breaks to the rich, > tell the poor they are lazy, > and the working class will have fewer jobs, > because even if he deports all the human tomato pickers, > they will simply be replaced by robots. > And he wouldn't stand in the way of corporate profit. > > Bernie might make it marginally more live able for the poor, > Clinton is a wild card, but as a women she is more likely to integrate > opinions of others into her decisions, so America might have some > genuine growth and renewal, though of what kind depends on her advisors. > > On 03/11/2016 10:33 PM, Alan Grimes wrote: > > EdFromNH . wrote: > > Humanity currently IS quite stupid and self destructive. > (Witness Trump's current popularity as a candidate for the most > important job in the world, based on little more than a barrage > of empty, impossible to fulfill promises). And it is not clear > humanity is capable of dealing with the powers that > superintelligence can create. But the superintelligence genie is > not going to be put back in the bottle. There is too much money > and power to be had by developing and using it. So let us at > least try to increase the number of intelligent humans and > institutions that understand the danger better, so humanity an at > least have a chance of surviving it for several more generations > to come. > > Look, u are not going to get Bernie Sanders because the political > establishment has rigged all the voting machines to switch the > votes to Hillary, whom most people want gone. =\ > > I require one and only one task from Trump, to break the > stranglehold of the political establishment on our electoral > process. Everything else is gravy. I voted for him in the primaries > and I hope to vote for him again in November. > > - -- Logan Streondj, > A dream of Gaia's future. > http://joyfullifestyle.ca > > You can use encrypted email with me, > how to: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/ > key fingerprint: > BD7E 6E2A E625 6D47 F7ED 30EC 86D8 FC7C FAD7 2729 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJW451ZAAoJEIbY/Hz61ycpoqQP/jtr4I269RIvvTFdgliPRi94 > mAxPDWovgOt+u+CvmQ8/GexaBBh9p7+Q/e9FttPmoISzjcnZix1gqvcw4heHRSxD > 8KwBiVSi6WMUOT601yBPVuzuZ40kFYPrDa+XGH82iPQ8ffj6233yx+3OviB0S3se > vkbKw0Ph/67W/rfydL87CPJWNzuJ27wTM3iYMp+9fqPAnr+RTozxhS7UbdY55C9Q > HrX0at7mDMYMZSWxrNivI+9snHPK4hzSCdgWUNKy07qb4iQBsdH9feesGVMCYiha > SZTwj2JYMwt1lTU3pDRhBma2gkznxXtLeDYUEDaiD6m+hd1mM46BBKjkv3ix0XCm > UMjtw6lzOVRnZ3Pcn5mHt5bGP+8ct5i107eC3DBwqTESFiI4c9viy6wlPIK4a2uB > s5wqQgMCe6Lp+6tfMWdFu1vkwOlZJzimomSFLVMjuMIezSJKqzNv72a67CigFbS/ > YaXy6ZZ6P0iB2FycknkMeCEP8fYqcefEK2Ma00INFo4tDxgnMW2S8VAJtT9BX21p > f5V5GwqKU7hmwdq8gmyh3ajeIiZj+iku+6FeHOXxD0sRRoNnv6QLCmmZ6A6ddS8I > Tc6VAAEvRQvu6jLy7uYemzvpOeyF8mfkS/HKvoBZNybaDTdrD0sGLznM0HeFFwLF > lQwqF9U7568LFSaSZ0RY > =harH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23508161-fa52c03c > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > -- > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. 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