----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Goertzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [agi] How wrong are these numbers?
> > Kevin wrote: > > I think Ben is closer to > > anyone in having a true mapping of the > > brain and its capabilities. As to whether it ultimately develops the > > emergent qualities we speak of..time will tell...even > > if it falls short of singularity type hype, i believe it can provide > > tremendous benefits to humanity, and that's what I care about. > > I appreciate your enthusiasm & support. > > I'd like to clarify, however, that I'm not actually trying to map or model > the human brain, but ONLY to emulate (and eventually exceed) its > capabilities. I have studied neuroscience fairly extensively, but have > chosen to make Novamente very unbrainlike in many ways, in order to adapt it > better to the available hardware platform. Your selling yourself short. You have studied more than fairly extensively... Sorry for the inaccuracy. > > Alan Grimes wrote: > > Okay, I have some theories... Unfortunately I'm only a theorist so I'll > > > need some code-slaves to make any progress but I think that's doable. > > Code-slaves, huh? > > I suggest that you're unlikely to make much progress with this management > philosophy ;-) > > > Kevin wrote: > > If you read any discussion of the Singularity, its hard to > > separate what is > > being said from theism. These machines are given God like qualities and > > powers. It smacks almost of a new religion with its dogma 1's > > and 0's, but > > reeks of the same old idea that "i am flawed and weak and small and mortal > > and I want to be super and sumpremely smart and immortal!" I can't blame > > people for looking for such things as the human condition is a rather sad > > one.... > > Well, yeah. I am flawed and weak and small and mortal, and I want to be > super and supremely smart and immortal. This may be where we differ the most, but that's OK. I also feel small and flawed and mortal and neurotic etc. I also seek for escape from this condition. So we have the same aim. I have my way and you have yours, thank goodness for the myriad of people and ideas, or things would get very dull around here.. > > The interesting thing to come to terms with, is that transforming oneself > into a superbeing is in effect a form of *death*. > > One's current self is really disappearing, if one transforms oneself that > completely. What is the thread of identify/awareness that is left, > surviving such a transition ??? Hmmmmm. From the time you wrote this to the time I respond, you have died a thousand deaths. Why would this be any different? > > -- Ben G > > ------- > To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, > please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
