The open source idea sounds great and in general I agree with this
approach.  One of the main benefits in my view is ensuring that
powerful new technology does not fall into the hands of any single
individual, company or nation who could then monopolise its use,
potentially with unfriendly results.  In the proprietary situation
you're really putting all your eggs into one basket and just hoping
that the first mover is somewhat benevolent.

But in practice it's difficult to do AI in an open source way, because
I've found that at least up until the present there have been very few
people who actually know anything about the algorithms involved and
can make a useful contribution.  The typical case is that there are a
few folks who are enthusiastic but lack either the programming ability
or the background knowledge of AI techniques, or both.  Just learning
about the history of AI in general so that you can recognise potential
dead-end approaches takes some investment of time and energy.

Another factor weighing against the open source approach is the lack
of a well defined definition for an intelligent system.  If you're
writing a word processor or even an operating system you pretty much
know in advance what it should do and roughly what the architecture of
the program should look like.  I think Linus Torvalds based his first
version of linux on the description given in a book called "operating
systems: theory and implementation" (or something like that).
Unfortunately there are few implementable designs for an AGI described
in sufficient detail to be able to divide the task up and allocate it
amongst programmers.  Ben's project may be an exception to this.



On 11/05/07, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just been looking at the vids. of last year's AGI conference. One thing
really hit me from the panel talk - and that was: but, of course, only
open-source AGI will ever work. Sorry, but all these ideas of individual
systems, produced by teams of - what? - say, twenty individuals at most -
achieving some significant form of intelligence are, frankly, wild
fantasies. We're talking re the human system about the most fabulously
complex machine in the universe - and even a simple worm is mind-blowingly
complex. Hey, a single cell is awesome. Not just complex as in "having many
parts" but complicated as in "having many subsystems".

If you stand back and look at AI/ AGI and robotics, as a whole,  what you
already have anyway  is a de facto division of labour  of the problem,
however crude  - different groups are, in fact,  going for different aspects
of the problem,  Emotions, navigation, proprioception, vision, etc. etc.
And,  you have different roboticists tackling more or less every stage of
evolution - with robots from worms and snakes to humanoids.

The greatest challenge  - and these are my first, very stumbling thoughts
here - is to find ways that people can work together on the overall
roblem  - that all these systems (or subsystems) that people are working on
can connect and evolve together.

That's the only way that even an adaptive robotic worm [or equivalent] will
be produced. (And a common systems/ common parts approach is after all that
used by evolution itself).

Open-source creativity is the defining model of creativity in this century.
The Human Genome Project provided the template not just for biology but for
human creativity. And actually, the real singularity - the greatest leap
forward - in this century, long before any form of machine intelligence,
will be the leap in human creativity that is coming. The last century was
that of universal education, this will be the century of universal
creativity.

Of course, the problem was relatively easy to define for the Human Genome
Project. Defining and carving up the problem of AGI so that many teams and
the whole world can work on it jointly,  is a huge challenge in itself. But
it can be done.

(Stan Franklin, for example,  talked of the problem of just achieving a
common ontology, or terminology for AGI, and yet, if you think about it,
people ARE using a great deal of common terminology anyway)

Ben, I imagine, more or less knows the open-source truth in talking about an
AGI "Manhattan Project." But even that would be too small. The whole world -
the whole Internet - will have to be involved..



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