with or without conceding the point (or declaring that I've convinced you enough that you are now unsure but not enough that you're willing to concede it just yet -- as opposed to just being tired of arguing :-)?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Vladimir Nesov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] What should we do to be prepared?


I give up.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Please reformulate what you mean by "my approach" independently then
> and sketch how you are going to use information theory... I feel that
> my point failed to be communicated.

You've already accepted my reformulation of "your approach" where I said "I think that you're asserting that the virtual environment is close enough to
as capable as the physical environment without spending significant
resources that the difference doesn't matter."

My direct argument to this was that I believe that you ARE going to have to spend significant resources (a.k.a. resources that matter) in order to make
the virtual environment capable enough for what you want.

I am *not* arguing the upper bounds of the capability of the virtual
environment.  I *AM* arguing the resource of getting to a point where the
capability of the virtual environment is sufficient for your vision.

The reason why I keep referring to Information Theory is because it is all
about the "cost" of information operations.  Without intending to be
insulting, it is clear to me that you are not even conversant enough with
Information Theory to be aware of this fact (i.e. what one of it's major
points is) which makes it tremendously relevant to our debate. Personally,
I can't competently get you up to speed in Information Theory in a
reasonable length of time. You need to do that on your own if we're going
to have any chance of a reasonable debate since, in effect, (and again,
hopefully without being insulting) I'm making an established argument and
you're staring blankly at it and just saying "IS NOT!"
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