MT: http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/distance/sci122/Programs/p3/Rorschach.gif
(Oh - and a, linas, Bob, Mark, et al - can we agree that there is no way
for maths to process that image, period?)
Mark:No. I strongly disagree with your assertion. What you believe you are
processing (w)holistically can easily be broken down into a series of parts
with scaling, translation, transposition, and other standard operators.
Mark,
Let's see if you can actually put forward an idea, as opposed to shouting.
You've missed the point. What a human does in looking at a rorschach is to
"see" - i.e. compare it with - a recognizable object or creature - a bat,
for instance, or an ant, or a gargoyle.
So what you must tell me is how your or any geometrical system of analysis
is going to be able to take a rorschach and come up similarly with a
recognizable object or creature. Bear in mind, your system will be given no
initial clues as to what objects or creatures are suitable as potential
comparisons. It can by all means have a large set of visual images in
memory, as we do. But you must tell me how your system will connect the
rorschach with any of those images, such as a bat, - by *geometrical*
means.
Of course, a geometrical system can be used to *analyse* an individual
rorschach into some set of geometric forms - but only "by hand",
individually, on a one-off basis - and imperfectly. There is no geometrical
*formula* for analysing rorschachs, because they can take an unlimited and
non-formulaic variety of shapes, just as there is no geometrical formula for
analysing the diverse shapes of living creatures, like bats, ants and human
beings. So there is, by extension, no geometrical, or indeed any other
formulaic means to *compare* a rorschach with any object or creature.
Nor is there any geometrical means to compare *any* irregular objects - a
slug and, say, a human being walking along, a purse, say, and a vagina, a
rock and a chair, a moustache and a walrus.
If you think there is, then you obviously have solved some of the most
important, unsolved problems of AGI, such as analogy, metaphor and
creativity.
You've also turned geometers into designers and artists
You also may have gone some way to solving the problem of "lookup" - the way
the brain can find a similar image in just a few steps, where computers that
can only "search" blindly take millions of steps, and may still come up with
nothing.
So I await your geometric solution to this problem - (a mere statement of
principle will do) - with great interest. Well, actually no. Your answer is
broadly predictable - you 1) won't have any idea here 2) will have nothing
to say to the point and 3) be, as usual, all bark and no bite - all insults
and no ideas.
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agi
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