BillK: MT:>> So what you must tell me is how your or any geometrical system
of analysis
is going to be able to take a rorschach and come up similarly with a
recognizable object or creature. Bear in mind, your system will be given
no
initial clues as to what objects or creatures are suitable as potential
comparisons. It can by all means have a large set of visual images in
memory, as we do. But you must tell me how your system will connect the
rorschach with any of those images, such as a bat, - by *geometrical*
means.
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This is called Content-based image retrieval (CBIR), also known as
query by image content (QBIC) and content-based visual information
retrieval (CBVIR) is the application of computer vision to the image
retrieval problem, that is, the problem of searching for digital
images in large databases.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBIR>
This is a hot area of computer research, with many test systems. (see
article).
Nothing to do with AGI, of course.
BillK,
CBIR isn't the same as drawing analogies and forming metaphors - or
comparing rorschachs to bats. You're saying that analogy and metaphor are
not important to AGI? I disagree. I think they're central.
CBIR is about retrieving the *same/ v.similar* kinds of objects or shapes
(rather than radically different ones that neverthless have some
not-obvious similarity, e.g. moustaches and walruses). And no, the ability
to analyse images in terms of more or less the same visual elements, like
say, the colour red, or the same texture or shape, will NOT solve the
problem of analogy/metaphor or comparing rorschachs and bats.
May I suggest, BTW, that you really *look* at the problem - put the two
images side by side?
http://www.desordre.net/textes/bibliotheque/rorschach.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/~susano/images/bat2.gif
And CBIR isn't really working, is it? (Not, for a second, that it's without
its uses). It can't "find pictures of dogs" can it?
You could call that a problem of conceptualisation. Which, if you go into it
enough, is deeply related to the problem of comparing rorschachs and bats -
because 'dogs' or 'labradors' or pretty well any species come in very
diverse, not-so-similar shapes.
Thanks for the ref.
P.S. Re my "negativity," I'm saying broadly that AI and AGI lack certain
crucial faculties - you think they have all the faculties they need to
succeed?
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agi
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