Terren: > I agree in spirit with your basic criticisms regarding current AI and creativity. However, it must be pointed out that if you abandon determinism, you find yourself in the world of dualism, or worse.

Nah. One word (though it would take too long here to explain) ; nondeterministic programming.

Terren: you still need to have an explanation for how creativity emerges in either case, but in contrast to what you said before, some AI folks have indeed worked on this issue.

Oh, they've done loads of work, often fine work, i.e. produced impressive but 'hack' variations on themes, musical, artistic, scripting etc. But the people actually producing those "creative"/hack variations, will agree, when pressed that they are not truly creative. And actual AGI-ers, to repeat, AFAIK have not produced a single idea about how machines can be creative. Not even a proposal, however wrong. Please point to one.

P.S. Glad to see your evolutionary perspective includes the natural kind - I had begun to think, obviously wrongly, that it didn't.



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