--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Trent Waddington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Matt Mahoney
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I mean that people are free to decide if others feel
> pain. For example, a scientist may decide that a mouse does
> not feel pain when it is stuck in the eye with a needle (the
> standard way to draw blood) even though it squirms just like
> a human would. It is surprisingly easy to modify one's
> ethics to feel this way, as proven by the Milgram
> experiments and Nazi war crime trials.
> 
> I'm sure you're not meaning to suggest that scientists commonly
> rationalize in this way, nor that they are all Nazi war
> criminals for experimenting on animals.
> 
> I feel the need to remind people that "animal rights" is a fringe
> movement that does not represent the views of the majority.  We
> experiment on animals because the benefits, to humans, are
> considered worthwhile.

I am not taking a position on whether inflicting pain on animals (or people or 
machines) is right or wrong. That is an ethical question. Ethics is a system of 
beliefs that varies from one person to another. There is no such thing as a 
"correct" model, although everyone believe so. All we can say is that some 
models work better than others as measured by individual or group survival.

-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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