> > > Consider an object, such as a sock or a book or a cat. These objects > can all be recognised by young children, even though the visual input > coming from trhem chasnges from what angle they're viewed at. More > fundamentally, all these objects can change shape, yet humans can > still effortlessly recognise them to be the same thing. And this > ability doesn't stop with humans -- most (if not all) mammalian > species can do it. > > Until an AI can do this, there's no point in trying to get it to play > at making cakes, etc.
Well, it seems to me that current virtual worlds are just fine for exploring this kind of vision processing However, I have long been perplexed at the obsession with so many AI folks with vision processing. I mean: yeah, it's important to human intelligence, and some aspects of human cognition are related to human visual perception But, it's not obvious to me why so many folks think vision is so critical to AI, whereas other aspects of human body function are not. For instance, the yogic tradition and related Eastern ideas would suggest that *breathing* and *kinesthesia* are the critical aspects of mind. Together with touch, kinesthesia is what lets a mind establish a sense of self, and of the relation between self and world. In that sense kinesthesia and touch are vastly more fundamental to mind than vision. It seems to me that a mind without vision could still be a basically humanlike mind. Yet, a mind without touch and kinesthesia could not, it would seem, because it would lack a humanlike sense of its own self as a complex dynamic system embedded in a world. Why then is there constant talk about vision processing and so little talk about kinesthetic and tactile processing? Personally I don't think one needs to get into any of this sensorimotor stuff too deeply to make a thinking machine. But, if you ARE going to argue that sensorimotor aspects are critcial to humanlike AI because they're critical to human intelligence, why harp on vision to the exclusion of other things that seem clearly far more fundamental?? Is the reason just that AI researchers spend all day staring at screens and ignoring their physical bodies and surroundings?? ;-) ben g ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=123753653-47f84b Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
