Don't forget to take into account that what is illegal where you live
may be perfectly legal somewhere else, and vice versa. I think it is
clearly declared out of scope of the charter for a very good reason.

Regards Fabio


On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 08:15 +0800, James Seng wrote:
> Good point.
> 
> My view is that one can be reasonably solved technically without human
> intervention and one is not.
> 
> I love to see a working scalable technical solution that can identify
> copyright content in an encrypted stream.
> 
> -James Seng
> 
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:02 AM, DePriest, Greg (NBC Universal)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That seems like a constructive suggestion.  Thank you.
> >
> > I do have one question regarding policies.
> >
> > Why is protecting privacy a requirement and protecting copyrighted
> > content a policy?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:43 PM
> > To: Nicholas Weaver
> > Cc: DePriest, Greg (NBC Universal); [email protected]; Arnaud Legout; Paul
> > Jessop; Craig Seidel; Le Blond, Stevens
> > Subject: Re: [alto] Paper on "Pushing BitTorrent Locality to the Limit"
> >
> > It strikes me that the discovery of illegal content is a local policy
> > decision. There are jurisdictions that require it and those that forbid
> > it. Perhaps ALTO needs to support a policy option that allows content
> > descriptors to be queried, blocked, or redirected in the interest of
> > local laws and regulations.
> >
> > I don't want to spoil anybody's fun, of course.
> >
> > RB
> >
> > Nicholas Weaver wrote:
> >>
> >> On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:15 PM, DePriest, Greg (NBC Universal) wrote:
> >>
> >>> You note that "A localization service doesn't have to discriminate
> >>> [between legit and illegit P2P]..."
> >>>
> >>> I don't understand why it wouldn't.
> >>>
> >>> What's the point of facilitating the illegal distribution of
> > copyrighted
> >>> content?
> >>>
> >>> And how would one justify that?
> >>
> >> Under the same justification that you allow BitTorrent at all: You
> >> DON'T know that it is copyrighted, it could be Linux ISOs, with enough
> >
> >> probability that you can't just block the protocol and you can't sue
> >> BitTorrent Inc into submission under the Napster and related methods.
> >>
> >> Or that you allow HTTP traffic, after all, that could be copyrighted
> >> material, kiddie porn, or other bad content.
> >>
> >> It is not the responsibility of the network to police content, and a
> >> localization service doesn't actually have to know what it is
> >> localizing, so it is not in a position to police content one way or
> >> the other.
> >>
> >> EG, ask localization service "Who else is accessing 512b-random-ID
> >> SHA-512 file descriptor", and the localization service has no notion
> >> what the resource is, just a list of who's accessing it.  Its in many
> >> ways easier to make a localization service which is agnostic.
> >>
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