I understand, but I believe that will lead to most users not using ALTO. Regards Fabio
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 01:39 -0800, Richard Bennett wrote: > That's not an unusual situation for globally-deployed network systems. > Wi-Fi uses unlicensed radio channels in several regulatory domains that > don't exactly line up with each other in terms of the frequencies and > power levels that are permitted. The relevant standards body, IEEE > 802.11, didn't define channels and power levels as "out of scope", they > embraced the problem and permitted the appropriate regulations to be > plugged-in to standards-conformant systems at run time. > > It's not impossible, or even especially difficult, to create standards > that include the application of local variations. There are all sorts of > legal restrictions on content and privacy around the world, and I'd > rather take the adult approach and make the ALTO protocol capable of > conforming to law and regulation by design rather than through some > external workaround. > > Take that for what it's worth, I'm still coming up to speed on this effort. > > RB > > Fabio Hecht wrote: > > Don't forget to take into account that what is illegal where you live > > may be perfectly legal somewhere else, and vice versa. I think it is > > clearly declared out of scope of the charter for a very good reason. > > > > Regards Fabio > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 08:15 +0800, James Seng wrote: > > > >> Good point. > >> > >> My view is that one can be reasonably solved technically without human > >> intervention and one is not. > >> > >> I love to see a working scalable technical solution that can identify > >> copyright content in an encrypted stream. > >> > >> -James Seng > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:02 AM, DePriest, Greg (NBC Universal) > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> That seems like a constructive suggestion. Thank you. > >>> > >>> I do have one question regarding policies. > >>> > >>> Why is protecting privacy a requirement and protecting copyrighted > >>> content a policy? > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Richard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:43 PM > >>> To: Nicholas Weaver > >>> Cc: DePriest, Greg (NBC Universal); [email protected]; Arnaud Legout; Paul > >>> Jessop; Craig Seidel; Le Blond, Stevens > >>> Subject: Re: [alto] Paper on "Pushing BitTorrent Locality to the Limit" > >>> > >>> It strikes me that the discovery of illegal content is a local policy > >>> decision. There are jurisdictions that require it and those that forbid > >>> it. Perhaps ALTO needs to support a policy option that allows content > >>> descriptors to be queried, blocked, or redirected in the interest of > >>> local laws and regulations. > >>> > >>> I don't want to spoil anybody's fun, of course. > >>> > >>> RB > >>> > >>> Nicholas Weaver wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:15 PM, DePriest, Greg (NBC Universal) wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> You note that "A localization service doesn't have to discriminate > >>>>> [between legit and illegit P2P]..." > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't understand why it wouldn't. > >>>>> > >>>>> What's the point of facilitating the illegal distribution of > >>>>> > >>> copyrighted > >>> > >>>>> content? > >>>>> > >>>>> And how would one justify that? > >>>>> > >>>> Under the same justification that you allow BitTorrent at all: You > >>>> DON'T know that it is copyrighted, it could be Linux ISOs, with enough > >>>> > >>>> probability that you can't just block the protocol and you can't sue > >>>> BitTorrent Inc into submission under the Napster and related methods. > >>>> > >>>> Or that you allow HTTP traffic, after all, that could be copyrighted > >>>> material, kiddie porn, or other bad content. > >>>> > >>>> It is not the responsibility of the network to police content, and a > >>>> localization service doesn't actually have to know what it is > >>>> localizing, so it is not in a position to police content one way or > >>>> the other. > >>>> > >>>> EG, ask localization service "Who else is accessing 512b-random-ID > >>>> SHA-512 file descriptor", and the localization service has no notion > >>>> what the resource is, just a list of who's accessing it. Its in many > >>>> ways easier to make a localization service which is agnostic. > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> alto mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> Richard Bennett > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> alto mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> alto mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto > >> > >> > -- Fabio Hecht University of Zurich - Department of Informatics (IfI) Binzmühlestrasse 14 CH-8050 Zürich, Switzerland Ph.: +41 44 6357129 / 6350892 Fax: +41 44 6356809 VoIP sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ alto mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto
