Did Beverley actually say that these people left because of the current debate?
If they just left without stating a reason then that should be made clear now. To imply otherwise is wrong and bad. If they said they left because of the current debate then they obviously have a head-in-the-sand approach to world politics. You can't have a list like this without engaging with the wider social political context. The CCA issue only serves to highlight this. Beverley? -------- Game On The last gulf war was fought and won before Iraq invaded Kuwait. I read an article some years ago which unfortunately I cant reference. (was it teneight or coil?) ( Alice?) which said that the US militaru had already built a desert machine war simulation system (easier to render than troops in the jungle, was pre tomb raider I think?) and so when the opportunity arose to re take that pillar of democracy called Kuwait the scenarios had already been played out. I guess down town Baghdad has already been rendered in minute detail and rehearsals for storming the presidential palaces are taking place as we speak in glorious high definition 3D. the big question is are they using PS or X box? simon ****************************************************** Simon Fildes & Katrina McPherson Greystones Main Street Newtonmore Highland Region PH20 1DR 01540670002 01540673796 07779106593 07798563799 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.left-luggage.co.uk ************************************************** > From: mark lawton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:52:24 +0100 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: <ambit> old, very old topic > > In message <004c01c279c6$9ece4940$0400000a@pc>, torsten lauschmann > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> >> Hello, >> I have been invited by Graham Mc Kenzie, the Director of the CCA, to bring >> forward the critique/suggestions/opinions about the CCA raised through >> recent discussions on ambit and the streets of Glasgow. To make it a >> worthwhile meeting I hope you could contribute some of your opinions and >> suggestions. >> Cheers >> Torsten >> > > hi torsten > > first of all i'd like to say i'm sorry to hear that people have recently > left the ambit list in the wake of the centre for contemporary armaments > discussion. if it is people frustrated by the lacklustre and/or > conformist response to this then i'm doubly sorry because for once i > feel that an issue has arisen of some actual worth and their engaged > input and anger is sorely needed > > there's quite a lot of information and thoughts already clearly > expressed in the list but i really hope more have more to say - yea or > nae > > i hear that graham mckenzie is also personally opposed to an event such > as the seg/dda conference, in theory, but in his 'professional capacity' > he has his hands tied > > this is crazy cartesian stance that i personally cannot reconcile nor > understand, profligate as it is in today's managerial culture > > but that's why i'm an artist > > and that's why i baulk at the potential association of art with > warmongers and the legitimisation of their insane, murderous activities > > and, that's why i say without any doubt or fear of politik - not in my > name !! > > without artists, without art to place in these new cultural palaces, cca > and other such places would become irrelevant - nothing other than the > grandiose coffee-shops and conference facilities they often teeter close > to being anyway > > secondly, the scottish enterprise council (who organised the event) > chipped in money for the refurbishment and relaunch of the cca and > therefore it seems have influence over what happens there > > yet the artists on whose work the place nominally relies are told to go > and lobby parliament to try and change legislative realities when they > express any ethical concerns about the galleries policies > >> Collective lobbying in Scotland for increased long-term and serious >> funding for contemporary arts, would reduce the emphasis on commercial >> activity in favour of increased resources for artists. > > >> as a public building and as a publicly >> funded building, it is extremely difficult to impose any policy of >> censorship or make moral judgements in relation to who can and who >> cannot use the premises. > > this still beggars the question as to where such an open door policy > ends - or whether it indeed does have an end > > and the obvious question that follows, already posted, is would the bnp > be allowed to legitimise their vile message via association with cca, > via association with art and artists ? > > if yes, then the campaign surely begins in earnest anew > > if no - who decides the distinctions, on what criteria, and whose moral > judgements are therefore to be utilised ? > > maybe the users of the cca and the artists who are called upon to grace > the halls should be asked about these judgements, > > perhaps a public consultation process could be initiated amongst the > people of glasgow and all those on the cca mailing list > > the result on this particular issue is not clear - but at least a true > policy of social inclusion would be seen to be integral to this > apparently public institution and thereby freeing the director from the > burden of moral judgements and ethical concerns > > radical > > finally torsten - what do you mean by, 'the streets of glasgow' who > else beyond our cosy enclave has been vocal about this - i'm just > curious for networking purposes > > and i wish you the greatest of good luck > > peace > > mark > > > ps. the 'Army 2002' event was actually held in July, not a couple of > weeks ago as i stated before > > http://usite.army.mod.uk/2002/ > > ------------------------------------------------- > a m b i t : networking media arts in scotland > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > archive: http://www.mediascot.org/ambit > info: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > and write "info ambit" in the message body > ------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------- a m b i t : networking media arts in scotland post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive: http://www.mediascot.org/ambit info: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and write "info ambit" in the message body -------------------------------------------------
