2009/3/17 square87 <squar...@gmail.com>
> Hi
>
> so...
>
> *about the Wrong Live Messanger Tabs*
> I think it's a feature of wlm plus, and it shows tabs as amsn actually does
> but it always shows the more and less tabs icons... I tried to do a
> screenshot, but my windows works correctly (read: it crashes)
ok, whatever.. lol @ windows works correctly :)
>
>
> *about motivations*
> We are lucky to have good developpers but I think that the actual system of
> releasing tires developpers. I mean: many of answer for a problem is: "get
> the svn". I think that we should release a version about every 3 months ( i
> don't care about the name, it can be 0.98.x, 0.99RC1, 0.99svn1 or
> whatever...)
yes, I know, but we try to always have a stable release, but always provide
something to the users.. it doesn't tire developers as far as I know, it
just might bore them.. it doesn't keep stuff very 'action-packed'...anyways,
we used to do more often releases.. but the only reason why it takes such a
long time is because a lot of developers are not active, so we don't do much
development and it stalls for a while!
>
>
> Then i think that we should give some gift for very important
> patches/plugins/skins (a lapel pin, a shirt or whatever... don't mind... but
> a symbolic "thanks!") If aMSN did pay for the conference Holland (or
> Belgium?) last year for some developperss, i think that we can pay a lapel
> pin...
I think that it doesn't have to be a request.. asking 'give me a thanks
gift" doesn't really make it a gift. anyways, we're doing this as a hobby,
it's open source, it's on our free time and noone is forced to work on it..
we do it because we love to do it.. if we can't work on it, it's because we
don't have time.. if you get a tshirt, I'm not sure if it will actually help
you get more free time in your life, so I don't think it will change
anything! Anyways, search the amsn-devel ML archives, there has been lots of
discussion about this stuff already! We were going to do a "get a reward for
each bug/feature you do based on difficulty/commits/etc.." and the result
was a big flame with everyone (iirc) saying "no, we don't want that, we're
doing it for fun, not for money", and the result, the commits completely
stopped! search the amsn-devel archives again, you'll see...
anyways, no, we didn't pay for the conference in belgium.. first, the
conference was free, secondly, those who came, they came because they could,
not because it was a "everything paid" trip, most of us paid for everything
ourselves, train, plane, etc.. aMSN was able to pay for the hotel though and
help a few of the poorer with a little contribution. But all of this is just
pissing me off, it's noone's concern if amsn has money left or not, it's a
private matter between admins, and I do not beleive that developers should
start putting their nose inside of our financial situation!
The money that we get from ads was there for the web hosting mainly, then
oxilion (formerly jronline) decided to give us the space for free, so the
money is there to help us in case they stop giving us free hosting, it also
pays for the domain name... how much money we get, how much we can afford
for gifts, travel, conferences, whatever is not of anyone's concern right
now. We're doing free development, let it stay free!
>
>
> Think to Firefox... it gives 500dollars if you discover a security bug...
> and you make some points to you if you contribute to the project or if your
> "friends" download firefox through a your banner... and with poits you can
> obtain a shirt, a rucksack, etc... I know that Mozilla respect to aMSN is
> very rich... but just think about this system.
you shouldn't consider them "richer" than amsn.. you should consider that
mozilla has money, and aMSN doesn't, that's all there is to say, there is no
comparison here to be done!
>
>
> *about new topcw*
> The important thing is that now every tab is a canvas, so we can add things
> nicely (a dp before the nick, a status icon, emal, psm, an animated icons
> that "say": New message and so disable the flirking, if tabs should have a
> max width or not, etc...) we can add an icon on the right of tab frame with
> much options so people can customize their own tabs!
yes, that's cool! I also thought of maybe making the nickname flash by
changing the color of the nickname in the tab! It's nice, I just think we
should work on making it better visually.. right now, I miss the border
relief around the tabs... and I noticed that the first tab has the 'X'
button too far from the edge....
>
>
> *then another thing...*
> if we want a new site (a multilanguage one) i can do it... i have some
> experiences with joomla... . Wlm, and emesene has a multilanguage one...
we already have our own website which was written from scratch, is
beautifully done and we spent a lot of time on it, there is no need to
rewrite it! All that needs to be done is to adapt it! There was already
discussion about this.. the website was made so that it would be
multilangual, we just need to have someone take care of finishing the
multilanguage support and to translate it!
Just checkout the www branch in svn, and start hacking it up if you want to!
Make sure you don't break anything.. if you ever modify stuff, put it on
some website before committing (if you commit, the website will be
automatically updated/refreshed the next day) so we can test it.. we had an
enormous trouble making it render correctly on IE, opera, firefox and
safari.. so put it somewhere so people with different browsers can test it!
>
>
> That's all, i think...
> sorry for bad English
lol, you're with us for so long now and you still say that? :p
anyways, sorry about the earlier messages, but it just pisses me off when
people start talking about money, you shouldn't be greedy or want gifts and
stuff as rewards.. I've been busting my ass off for aMSN for 7 years now,
the amount of time I've given to aMSN is enormous and my reward is mainly
that people are happy using it and that thanks to the experience I gained
with aMSN, I was able to find decent jobs and had great career
opportunity... I think that's the reward you should be looking for : make
people happy! money/pins/tshirts is just a useless accessory to all of this!
>
>
> *Square87*
>
> 2009/3/13 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>
>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 09:18:29AM +0100, square87 wrote:
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> Hi Triangle87!
>>
>> > I am writing a new topcw.
>> > You can see the screeshot here
>> http://www.pensierialquadrato.net/bg1.png
>> > What are the differences between the old system and the new one?
>> >
>> > Now we can show smilyes in the tab, and if you are using colorednicks
>> also
>> > nick styles.
>> cool, that's a good feature!
>>
>> > Then the topcw it's wlm-like but better, much modern and configurable.
>> >
>> What do you mean WLM-like? I don't think WLM even has tabs:p
>> So what exactly did you mean by that ?
>>
>> > I want to know what do you think about it and if you agree i'll put it
>> on
>> > svn (it works... :P )
>> >
>>
>> Well my opinion is this :
>> 1 - I think that it's a bit of a waste of time... as you
>> probably know, we're already pretty much short staffed, not
>> a lot of developers have time to dedicate to aMSN and
>> development isn't as active as before...
>> I know that colored nicks are your "pet project" so you
>> added support for contact list and for chat window and now
>> topcw, and I can understand that and it's good to have
>> something that motivates you!
>> 2 - We are currently trying to get amsn 0.98 released so the
>> TODO list and bugs should be fixed... that's I think our top
>> priority... It also basically means that we want bugfixes
>> and we don't want to add new features that might add bugs...
>> 3 - if the feature is already done, then great! I don't mind
>> it being added to SVN, considering how development is slow
>> now, I think it will get tested enough before we release, so
>> it's fine for now!
>> 4 - The tabs don't look like buttons, they look like a
>> simple image in there, I'd like to see some relief to the
>> buttons.. (just look at the current tabs and try to
>> replicate the look and feel of it).
>> Keeping the same feature/look but just adding the capability
>> to add smileys/colorednicks is important I think
>> 5 - Don't take everything I said badly, I just feel that we
>> have a list of high priority stuff that are *blockers*..
>> that we can't make a release without finishing them, and the
>> colored tabs was not one of them.. so if you could spend
>> some free time on aMSN, it would have been helpful to do it
>> on our TODO list rather than on something low priority.
>> However, like I always say, aMSN is composed by a group of
>> open source developers and we have no hierarchy and everyone
>> is free, so you can in theory do whatever you want and whatever
>> motivates you the most. Getting work done that motivates you
>> is better than not doing anything!
>> 6 - Make sure you test the code correctly with the different
>> options that can make the code path change.. so if you have
>> a [::config::getKey whatever] in the code, make sure to test
>> the code with and without the 'whatever' option.. also try
>> to test it with and without the colorednicks plugin.. most
>> of the bugs we find are usually because developers tend to
>> test a feature with their own options (like voip controls
>> that i never tested with the option 'use a single dp
>> frame'...)
>>
>> That's it, keep it up! :)
>>
>>
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Square87
>>
>>
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