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Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!
Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra
decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF
(it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from
the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal
apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.
We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on
the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would
include the any23.org home page as well if we host.
However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links
to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual
projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).
Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most
per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the
organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project
pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not
commercial companies.
For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these
organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even
any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links.
Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the
project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in
general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a
commercial company.
Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any
way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or
governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion
here, I don't think that will be an issue.
Make sense?
- Shane
On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
Hey Greg,
On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23,
I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache Any23
in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding question:
The infra one:
1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an inspection
of the external any23.org site:
1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where Any23
was
at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated with
the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project
branding
rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say
"thanks
research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this before
coming
to the ASF."
I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
Checking out:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
and
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
led us to:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages".
I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner
such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow)
links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Chris
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