Michele, Lewis, There's one more wrinkle to this. The any23 service is aware of its own URL, and the URL matters because the service is also intended as a quick and dirty way of invoking any23's format conversion functionality if you don't have it installed.
Take this example from the service homepage at http://any23.org/ : http://any23.org/best/twitter.com/cygri If I ever need the embedded metadata from my twitter feed in Turtle format, I can just construct that URL from memory and get it. If the service moves to service.any23.apache.org, then this becomes rather unwieldy: http://service.any23.apache.org/best/twitter.com/cygri Therefore I'd prefer to see the service configured so that it keeps announcing its base URL as any23.org rather than service.any23.apache.org. Is this ok with everyone? On the DNS side, I would need the IP address (not just a hostname) that any23.org should be pointed to. Unfortunately the domain registrar doesn't let me create CNAME records for second-level domains but only A records. Best, Richard On 26 Feb 2012, at 11:50, Michele Mostarda wrote: > > > On 23 February 2012 15:24, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Lewis, > > On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote: > > > Thanks Chris for persisting with this one. > > > > I'm happy to get the Any23site sorted out today, I will not be working from > > this workstation until next week, this is where I checkout the site from > > (took like 20-30 mins and don't wish to do i on my laptop) so would like to > > get this sorted out today if possible. Therefore I'm going to progress with > > creating a history page linked to through the side bar in > > incubator.apache.org/any23. This will contain all the info of the original > > organizations and developers of Any23. > > +1. > > > > > I'll also update INFRA-4439 to: > > > > 1) name the domain service.any23.apache.org??? Comments please > > That would be OK with me, but I'd like the PPMC members to comment too, > especially those like Michelle involved with the prior service. In the end, > we probably should redirect any23.org to this new domain/service we > create at Apache. > > > 2) Provide details of infrastructure required to host the web service. > > Great. > > > > > Comments please? > > +1 > The redirect from any23.org to an ASF host is ok for me. > > I don't control the any23.org domain but I think Richard can configure the > redirect. > Please Richard ack. > > The best. > > Mic > > > +1! > > Cheers, > Chris > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History" as > > well, > > so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want to > > call it. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > > > > > Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you > > > would lean! > > > > > > Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this > > > decision back to the project and work with them to: > > > > > > 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure > > > 2. put up a per project thanks page on http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ > > > and > > > eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt' > > > institutions > > > predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't > > > imply any governance in either direction > > > 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links to > > > the > > > per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page similarly to > > > 2. > > > > > > Thanks, again! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Chris > > > > > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > > > > >> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists) > > >> > > >> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question! > > >> > > >> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra > > >> decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF > > >> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from > > >> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal > > >> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception. > > >> > > >> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on > > >> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would > > >> include the any23.org home page as well if we host. > > >> > > >> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links > > >> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual > > >> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here). > > >> > > >> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most > > >> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the > > >> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project > > >> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not > > >> commercial companies. > > >> > > >> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these > > >> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even > > >> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links. > > >> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the > > >> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in > > >> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a > > >> commercial company. > > >> > > >> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any > > >> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or > > >> governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion > > >> here, I don't think that will be an issue. > > >> > > >> Make sense? > > >> > > >> - Shane > > >> > > >> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > > >>> Hey Greg, > > >>> > > >>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it > > >>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org. > > >>> > > >>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks > > >>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had > > >>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for > > >>> Any23, > > >>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/ > > >>> > > >>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to > > >>> Apache Any23 > > >>> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding > > >>> question: > > >>> > > >>> The infra one: > > >>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware > > >>> > > >>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an > > >>> inspection of the external any23.org site: > > >>> > > >>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions > > >>> where Any23 was > > >>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page > > >>> associated with > > >>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to > > >>> project branding > > >>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to > > >>> say "thanks > > >>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this > > >>> before coming > > >>> to the ASF." > > >>> > > >>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list. > > >>> > > >>> Checking out: > > >>> > > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html > > >>> > > >>> and > > >>> > > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html > > >>> > > >>> led us to: > > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation > > >>> > > >>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks > > >>> pages". > > >>> > > >>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or > > >>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that > > >>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software > > >>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a > > >>> manner > > >>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no > > >>> follow) > > >>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks. > > >>> > > >>> Thoughts? > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Chris > > >>> > > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > >>> Senior Computer Scientist > > >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > > >>> Email: [email protected] > > >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > > >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > > Senior Computer Scientist > > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > > > Email: [email protected] > > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > Senior Computer Scientist > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > > Email: [email protected] > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lewis > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > -- > Michele Mostarda > Senior Software Engineer > skype: michele.mostarda > twitter: micmos > mail: [email protected] > site : http://www.michelemostarda.com >
