One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History" as well, so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want to call it.
Thanks! Cheers, Chris On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you > would lean! > > Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this > decision back to the project and work with them to: > > 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure > 2. put up a per project thanks page on http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and > eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt' institutions > predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't > imply any governance in either direction > 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links to the > per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page similarly to > 2. > > Thanks, again! > > Cheers, > Chris > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > >> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists) >> >> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question! >> >> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra >> decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF >> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from >> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal >> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception. >> >> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on >> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would >> include the any23.org home page as well if we host. >> >> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links >> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual >> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here). >> >> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most >> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the >> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project >> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not >> commercial companies. >> >> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these >> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even >> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links. >> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the >> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in >> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a >> commercial company. >> >> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any >> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or >> governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion >> here, I don't think that will be an issue. >> >> Make sense? >> >> - Shane >> >> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >>> Hey Greg, >>> >>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >>> >>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it >>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org. >>> >>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks >>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had >>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23, >>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/ >>> >>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache >>> Any23 >>> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding question: >>> >>> The infra one: >>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware >>> >>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an >>> inspection of the external any23.org site: >>> >>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where >>> Any23 was >>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated >>> with >>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project >>> branding >>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say >>> "thanks >>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this >>> before coming >>> to the ASF." >>> >>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list. >>> >>> Checking out: >>> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html >>> >>> and >>> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html >>> >>> led us to: >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation >>> >>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages". >>> >>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or >>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that >>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software >>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner >>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow) >>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >> > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: [email protected] WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
