Thanks Chris for persisting with this one. I'm happy to get the Any23site sorted out today, I will not be working from this workstation until next week, this is where I checkout the site from (took like 20-30 mins and don't wish to do i on my laptop) so would like to get this sorted out today if possible. Therefore I'm going to progress with creating a history page linked to through the side bar in incubator.apache.org/any23. This will contain all the info of the original organizations and developers of Any23.
I'll also update INFRA-4439 to: 1) name the domain service.any23.apache.org??? Comments please 2) Provide details of infrastructure required to host the web service. Comments please? Lewis On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) < [email protected]> wrote: > One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History" > as well, > so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want to > call it. > > Thanks! > > Cheers, > Chris > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > > > Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you > > would lean! > > > > Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this > > decision back to the project and work with them to: > > > > 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure > > 2. put up a per project thanks page on > http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and > > eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt' > institutions > > predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't > > imply any governance in either direction > > 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links > to the > > per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page similarly > to > > 2. > > > > Thanks, again! > > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > > >> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists) > >> > >> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question! > >> > >> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra > >> decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF > >> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from > >> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal > >> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception. > >> > >> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on > >> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would > >> include the any23.org home page as well if we host. > >> > >> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links > >> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual > >> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here). > >> > >> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most > >> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the > >> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project > >> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not > >> commercial companies. > >> > >> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these > >> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even > >> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links. > >> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the > >> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in > >> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a > >> commercial company. > >> > >> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any > >> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or > >> governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion > >> here, I don't think that will be an issue. > >> > >> Make sense? > >> > >> - Shane > >> > >> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > >>> Hey Greg, > >>> > >>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > >>> > >>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it > >>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org. > >>> > >>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks > >>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had > >>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for > Any23, > >>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/ > >>> > >>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to > Apache Any23 > >>> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding > question: > >>> > >>> The infra one: > >>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware > >>> > >>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an > inspection of the external any23.org site: > >>> > >>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions > where Any23 was > >>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page > associated with > >>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to > project branding > >>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to > say "thanks > >>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding > this before coming > >>> to the ASF." > >>> > >>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list. > >>> > >>> Checking out: > >>> > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html > >>> > >>> and > >>> > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html > >>> > >>> led us to: > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation > >>> > >>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks > pages". > >>> > >>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or > >>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that > >>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software > >>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a > manner > >>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no > follow) > >>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks. > >>> > >>> Thoughts? > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >>> Senior Computer Scientist > >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >>> Email: [email protected] > >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>> > >> > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > Senior Computer Scientist > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > > Email: [email protected] > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > -- *Lewis*
