On 23 February 2012 15:24, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Lewis, > > On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote: > > > Thanks Chris for persisting with this one. > > > > I'm happy to get the Any23site sorted out today, I will not be working > from this workstation until next week, this is where I checkout the site > from (took like 20-30 mins and don't wish to do i on my laptop) so would > like to get this sorted out today if possible. Therefore I'm going to > progress with creating a history page linked to through the side bar in > incubator.apache.org/any23. This will contain all the info of the > original organizations and developers of Any23. > > +1. > > > > > I'll also update INFRA-4439 to: > > > > 1) name the domain service.any23.apache.org??? Comments please > > That would be OK with me, but I'd like the PPMC members to comment too, > especially those like Michelle involved with the prior service. In the end, > we probably should redirect any23.org to this new domain/service we > create at Apache. > > > 2) Provide details of infrastructure required to host the web service. > > Great. > > > > > Comments please? > +1 The redirect from any23.org to an ASF host is ok for me. I don't control the any23.org domain but I think Richard can configure the redirect. Please Richard ack. The best. Mic > > +1! > > Cheers, > Chris > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) < > [email protected]> wrote: > > One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History" > as well, > > so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want > to call it. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > > > > > Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you > > > would lean! > > > > > > Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this > > > decision back to the project and work with them to: > > > > > > 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure > > > 2. put up a per project thanks page on > http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and > > > eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt' > institutions > > > predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't > > > imply any governance in either direction > > > 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links > to the > > > per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page > similarly to > > > 2. > > > > > > Thanks, again! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Chris > > > > > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > > > > >> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public > lists) > > >> > > >> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question! > > >> > > >> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra > > >> decision. In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF > > >> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support > from > > >> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal > > >> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception. > > >> > > >> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations > on > > >> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would > > >> include the any23.org home page as well if we host. > > >> > > >> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links > > >> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual > > >> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here). > > >> > > >> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most > > >> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the > > >> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project > > >> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not > > >> commercial companies. > > >> > > >> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these > > >> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or > even > > >> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links. > > >> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the > > >> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy > in > > >> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a > > >> commercial company. > > >> > > >> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any > > >> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or > > >> governance (in either direction). But from the tone of the discussion > > >> here, I don't think that will be an issue. > > >> > > >> Make sense? > > >> > > >> - Shane > > >> > > >> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > > >>> Hey Greg, > > >>> > > >>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it > > >>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org. > > >>> > > >>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks > > >>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they > had > > >>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for > Any23, > > >>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/ > > >>> > > >>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to > Apache Any23 > > >>> in the Incubator here, that seems to have turned into a branding > question: > > >>> > > >>> The infra one: > > >>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware > > >>> > > >>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an > inspection of the external any23.org site: > > >>> > > >>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions > where Any23 was > > >>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page > associated with > > >>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to > project branding > > >>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them > to say "thanks > > >>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding > this before coming > > >>> to the ASF." > > >>> > > >>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on > list. > > >>> > > >>> Checking out: > > >>> > > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html > > >>> > > >>> and > > >>> > > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html > > >>> > > >>> led us to: > > >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation > > >>> > > >>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks > pages". > > >>> > > >>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or > > >>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that > > >>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software > > >>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a > manner > > >>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no > follow) > > >>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks. > > >>> > > >>> Thoughts? > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Chris > > >>> > > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > >>> Senior Computer Scientist > > >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > > >>> Email: [email protected] > > >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > > >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > > Senior Computer Scientist > > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > > > Email: [email protected] > > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > Senior Computer Scientist > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > > Email: [email protected] > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lewis > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > -- Michele Mostarda Senior Software Engineer skype: michele.mostarda twitter: micmos mail: [email protected] site : http://www.michelemostarda.com
