2011/4/5 Roman Zegarski <[email protected]>: > 2011/4/5 Jimmy O'Regan <[email protected]>: >> On 5 April 2011 02:01, Roman Zegarski <[email protected]> wrote: >>> 2011/4/4 Antonio Toral <[email protected]>: >>>> Hi Roman, >>> Thank You for response. >>> I would like to concentrate my effort on improving system retrieving >>> information from Wiktionary, capable of using different language >>> templates. It should retrieve most of information contained inside >>> Wiktionary pages, but I think most important parts will be (as You >>> wrote before): translations, parts of speech,singular/plural affixes. >>> Also, I would like to create templates for two Wiktionaries: >>> en.wiktionary and pl.dictionary . I know Polish Wiktionary it is my >>> native language, and I think I can make it in the fastest and most >>> precise way. >>> >> >> Actually, I somewhat anticipated this :) Targeting pl.wiktionary will >> require some specific code enhancements that would probably not be >> instantly visible in terms of the other large Wiktionaries. >> >> Inflection information is one of the more important things for us to >> be able to extract, and pl.wiktionary is the best source of inflection >> information for several languages, but the way inflection is >> represented will require specific support in code: >> >> == pies ({{język polski}}) == >> [snip] >> {{odmiana}} >> : (1.1-3) {{lp}} pies, psa, psu, psa, psem, psie, psie; {{lm}} ps|y, >> ~ów, ~om, ~y, ~ami, ~ach, ~y >> >> The obvious extra work is the tilde replacement, but as inflection is >> laid out positionally, which varies from language to language, a >> language specific template should be invoked. I'm relatively sure that >> support for that will need to be implemented. >> > > So maybe I should try Spanish?
I think I'd prefer you to try Polish - the range of differences would lead to a more general extractor. > My knowledge about it is very general, > but making templates not necessary require a good knowledge of > language. No, and if in doubt, ask! > There aren't so many heading types, and I can always use > Apertium to translate from Spanish to English :) . Spanish looks like > good language for project purposes. It is,as far as I know, used by > many Apertium developers, also it's forth language on Wiktionary > (counting number of entries) and contains twice as many "form-of > definitions" as English language (from: > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Statistics). As I said, the choice of second language is yours. > I think that I could spend some time of community bounding period on > getting know more about templates used in different languages. That > would help me to improve DBPedia framework in more deliberate way > later.I made quick look onto German inflection, and I found that even > the entities uses basically the same pattern, but there are still > inconsistencies, for example: > > {{Charakteristische Wortkombinationen}} > :[[räudig]]er Hund, [[streunen]]der Hund, [[tot]]er Hund, [[bissig]]er > Hund, [[Pawlowscher]] Hund, [[schwarz]]er Hund, [[andalusisch]]er > Hund, [[tollwütig]]er Hund, [[scharf]]er Hund, [[faul]]er Hund, > [[treu]]er Hund, [[toll]]er Hund, [[nass]]er Hund, [[dick]]er Hund, > [[herrenlos]]er Hund, Hund [[dressieren]], [[bunt]]er Hund, > > {{Charakteristische Wortkombinationen}} > :[1] ein Fenster öffnen; durch ein Fenster schauen; ein offenes Fenster > :[3] das Fenster schließt sich > > {{Charakteristische Wortkombinationen}} > : [[sitzen]], [[Stuhl]], [[gedeckt]], [[wischen]], [[Bett]], > [[rund|runder]], [[auf]], [[Thema]], [[unter|unterm]], [[endgültig]], > [[stehen|stand]], [[Schrank]], [[Teller]], [[klein]], [[Karo]], > [[lang]], [[herum]], [[Sessel]], [[Restaurant]], [[Zimmer]], [[Sofa]], > [[Plan|Pläne]], [[Kellner]], [[groß]] > This is the same as the first, both match the template, but the second doesn't. The existing templates are really only a proof of concept, and not intended to be complete. We would need more substantial template work for this project. > As I looked briefly on couple of words in Spanish Wiktionary. I didn't > found such inconsistencies, but I think they can exist. So I think it > would be a good idea, to get know what can I expect from Wiktionary > entities. :) Good. > 2011/4/5 Jimmy O'Regan <[email protected]>: >> On 5 April 2011 02:59, Jimmy O'Regan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Po angielsku 'you', 'your', itd. piszą się małymi literami (tylko 'I' >>> pisze się wielkim) - wy polacy są greczniejsi niż my :) >> >> Raczej, Wy Polacy są grzeczniejsi, a chyba wiesz o co mi chodziło :D >> > > Tak, wiem o co chodziło. :) Jesteśmy bardziej przywiązani do form > grzecznościowych i mi osobiście ciężko jest się przełamać. Cały czas > pisząc wiadomości po angielsku, mam wrażenie, że popełniam nietakt > pisząc 'you' albo 'your' małymi literami. Pozostaje mi oswoić się z > tym, że jest to poprawna forma. :) > :) -- <Leftmost> jimregan, that's because deep inside you, you are evil. <Leftmost> Also not-so-deep inside you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev _______________________________________________ Apertium-stuff mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
