HI Skeeve,
Appreciate for your time to join this discussion. I would encourage all
members to join as well. Most of us do not have travel funds to attend
APNIC meetings to engage in such discussions. Mailing list is our only
option to express our opinions.
-----Original Message-----
From: Skeeve Stevens <[email protected]>
To: Dave Mead <[email protected]>
Cc: apnic-talk <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, Apr 26, 2014 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] ICANN 49 event wrapup
Dave,
While not trying to seem like an apologist for the APNIC management or
board, I don't agree with your approach here.
DM: That is fine. We all are different individuals and members so its
natural to have our own approaches.
In the past I have challenged APNIC about something similar... my issue
was about too many staff going to a conference and way too many of them
travelling in business class... and I still maintain this position.
DM: Good to see you have challenged APNIC in the past and maintian the
same position now.
BUT... you need to factor in a few things.
- Business travel on long trips aids in the recovery time that
otherwise might need extra time/days to prepare which has its own
extensive costs
- Often they land and they are speaking and involved in important
events. I'd rather them not falling asleep while they are trying to do
these things
- They go to a LOT of events to help keep this world of ours running
smoothly
- They sacrifice a lot to do these jobs... away from family and family
events and so on
DM: I completely agree with you here. I have no argument against number
of travels and the great job these guys do.
However, I think business class is only appropriate under certain
circumstances.
- That the flights are longer than 10-12 hours and the timezones are
significant (i.e. NOT from Brisbane to Singapore/NZ/etc)
- It should be limited to senior management and those in specific roles
where their roles are key
- Advisors and administrative staff travelling with them should not be
in business class
- Staff should use their own extensive collection of frequent flyer
points they collect on the job to bump themselves up to business class
if possible
DM: APNIC is based in Brisbane so every flight out is a long haul and
is far too expensive. Business class is 3 times more than economy
ticket. Yes, it should be limited to senior management staff only
however at APNIC, they have 12 directors and a number of consultants
who also travel on business class. This is just over the border.
I am not sure that being a non-profit relates to your argument here...
all organisations have expenses and place different importance on
different kinds of expenses.
DM: and these expenses can be managed well to benefit the membership
like other non-for-profit organisation in Asia.
Just because you don't agree with the way something is done, it doesn't
mean that it isn't appropriate. It is easy to yell from the sidelines
about some things, but until you actually know the effort involved, I'd
take to see a more civil and less accusatory approach to issues like
this from you. ASK about their policies, including who is entitled,
what the rules are and so on. I personally know a number of ex-APNIC
staff who've spoken of the rigours of like on the road with so much
travel, and you would do well to be more respectful to the staff who
choose to take on these roles for the benefit of our community. This
isn't to say everything is done in the best way possible, but be a
little nicer about it.
DM: Thanks for your advise here. I like to ask APNIC to share their
travel policies and who is entitled to travel in what class of travels?
Best,
-Dave Mead
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On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Dave Mead <[email protected]>
wrote:
Paul,
Your speech at Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program meeting is
utterly disappointing to APNIC Members.
http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2014/icann-49-event-wrapup
You said, "...Members pay fees to APNIC to support the organisation and
the services and they don't give APNIC a blessing to spend that money
in unlimited fashion on Internet development..."
http://audio.icann.org/meetings/singapore2014/apilp-22mar14-en.mp3
Members DID NOT BLESS APNIC to spend the fees on business class travel
which costs 3 times more than an economy class ticket. The entire
senior management, including your Executve Assistant and those who work
for APNIC as consultants travel in business class contributing to the
success of the airlines but clearly not Internet development in this
region.
http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/team
Paul, you're leading a not-for-profit organisation not a comerncial
entity that you and your senior management can erode member funds for
your comfortable travels across the world. This is just outrageous and
mismanagement of Member funds.
Members like to see the Executive Council takes note of this and
truely represent the Members to better manage their funds to contribute
for the Internet development in this region. A lot of development work
can be done if the funds are managed effectively not use for personal
benefits.
Best
-Dave Mead
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