Dave and Skeeve, I think real problem is not using business class itself.
The real question is whether there were enough outcomes compared to resources spent including costs and man-months. Unfortunately, I am doubt for many cases of APNIC activities in past few years, and that's the reason why I'm raising the issues. Rgs, ============================================ Masato (Matt) Yamanishi SVP, Network Engineering SoftBank Telecom America CORP. 10960 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1960, Los Angeles, CA 90024 Tel: +1-310-477-0531 ext106 (Changed on Jan 2014) Cell: +1-213-361-4855 E-mail: [email protected] ============================================ On 14/04/26 9:08, "Skeeve Stevens" <[email protected]> wrote: > Dave, > > While not trying to seem like an apologist for the APNIC management or board, > I don't agree with your approach here. > > In the past I have challenged APNIC about something similar... my issue was > about too many staff going to a conference and way too many of them travelling > in business class... and I still maintain this position. > > BUT... you need to factor in a few things. > > - Business travel on long trips aids in the recovery time that otherwise might > need extra time/days to prepare which has its own extensive costs > - Often they land and they are speaking and involved in important events. I'd > rather them not falling asleep while they are trying to do these things > - They go to a LOT of events to help keep this world of ours running smoothly > - They sacrifice a lot to do these jobs... away from family and family events > and so on > > However, I think business class is only appropriate under certain > circumstances. > > - That the flights are longer than 10-12 hours and the timezones are > significant (i.e. NOT from Brisbane to Singapore/NZ/etc) > - It should be limited to senior management and those in specific roles where > their roles are key > - Advisors and administrative staff travelling with them should not be in > business class > - Staff should use their own extensive collection of frequent flyer points > they collect on the job to bump themselves up to business class if possible > > I am not sure that being a non-profit relates to your argument here... all > organisations have expenses and place different importance on different kinds > of expenses. > > Just because you don't agree with the way something is done, it doesn't mean > that it isn't appropriate. It is easy to yell from the sidelines about some > things, but until you actually know the effort involved, I'd take to see a > more civil and less accusatory approach to issues like this from you. ASK > about their policies, including who is entitled, what the rules are and so on. > I personally know a number of ex-APNIC staff who've spoken of the rigours of > like on the road with so much travel, and you would do well to be more > respectful to the staff who choose to take on these roles for the benefit of > our community. This isn't to say everything is done in the best way possible, > but be a little nicer about it. > > ...Skeeve > > Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd > [email protected] ; www.eintellegonetworks.com > <http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/> > > Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve > > facebook.com/eintellegonetworks <http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks> ; > <http://twitter.com/networkceoau> linkedin.com/in/skeeve > <http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve> > > experts360: https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9 > > twitter.com/theispguy <http://twitter.com/theispguy> ; blog: > www.theispguy.com <http://www.theispguy.com/> > > > The Experts Who The Experts Call > Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering > > > On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Dave Mead <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Paul, >> >> Your speech at Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program meeting is utterly >> disappointing to APNIC Members. >> >> http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2014/icann-49-event-wrapup >> >> You said, "...Members pay fees to APNIC to support the organisation and the >> services and they don't give APNIC a blessing to spend that money in >> unlimited fashion on Internet development..." >> >> http://audio.icann.org/meetings/singapore2014/apilp-22mar14-en.mp3 >> >> Members DID NOT BLESS APNIC to spend the fees on business class travel which >> costs 3 times more than an economy class ticket. The entire senior >> management, including your Executve Assistant and those who work for APNIC as >> consultants travel in business class contributing to the success of the >> airlines but clearly not Internet development in this region. >> >> http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/team >> >> Paul, you're leading a not-for-profit organisation not a comerncial entity >> that you and your senior management can erode member funds for your >> comfortable travels across the world. This is just outrageous and >> mismanagement of Member funds. >> >> Members like to see the Executive Council takes note of this and truely >> represent the Members to better manage their funds to contribute for the >> Internet development in this region. A lot of development work can be done if >> the funds are managed effectively not use for personal benefits. >> >> Best >> -Dave Mead >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> apnic-talk mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/apnic-talk >> > > _______________________________________________ apnic-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/apnic-talk
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