On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:59:23 -0400, L.D. Best wrote:

> To expect Arachne to "filter" our out-going mail and
<snip>
> can do, or the speed with which they can do things.
                 ^^^^^
With proper programming, that could be done fast enough,
and with minimum memory usage as well.  There's off course
will be a speed decrease if you sending out emails to too
many recipients, but *only* a fraction of it actually caused
by filtering, you won't even realize the difference! ;-)

The required SMTP dialog, in the other hand, is a much
slower process.  Thus, pre-filtering for duplicates will
actualy speeding up things.  Instead of 1000 RCPT lines (in
case of a severe angry mailbomb ;-), there will be only a
single RCPT line, which will also much faster to execute.

> They were out to "prevent gun violence" and trampling on
> the 99% [including professional law enforcement officers]
> just didn't seem to matter to them.

I'm sorry, Ma'am, but I have to disagree.  We already have
firearm control law here in Indonesia since cca. 30 years
ago.  Except of few trained (and screened) topmost corporate
managers, firearms are out of limit for civilians.  And it
*do* prevent deadly violence.  Off course you can't suppress
violence completely, since even a chopstick could be used as
weapon.  But IMHO, allowing everyone carrying guns, would
only degrade us into a wild wild west realm, where most
disputes settled off by crossfire.  People are unpredictable
at best.  Even a highly trained cop could become a loose
cannon sometimes, although quite rare because of his/her
higher standards.  Just Imagine if any schoolboy allowed to
carry guns, the consequences can be even more devastating...

> Right now I'm *still* angry that my ISP decided to limit
> mailing lists to 35 recipients.  Period.  ...

Hear hear! ;-)
How about limiting Arachne to just 35 RCPTs? <VBEG>

Seriously, the bandwidth costs used by bulk emails also
paid by your ISP, the recipients, and the recipients's ISPs
as well.  But then, you might not realize this, because your
local calls are not paid by minutes...

Quoted from RFC 2505:

-----
   o   It costs real money for the receivers. Since many
       receivers pay for the time to transfer the mailbox
       from the (dialup) ISP to their computer they in
       reality pay real money for this.

   o   It costs real money for the ISPs. Assume one 10
       Kbyte message sent to 10 000 users with their
       mailboxes at one ISP host; that means an unsolicited,
       unexpected, storage of 100 Mbytes.  State of the art
       disks, 4 Gbyte, can take 40 such message floods
       before they are filled.  It is almost impossible to
       plan ahead for such "storms".
-----

If you really want to send emails to more than 35
recipients, there's a nicer workaround, though.  That's
where mailing lists good for.  You just send one copy of
each messages, and the list server will do the broadcast
for you, in a more controllable manner.

Unlike in the past, setting up and managing mailing lists
are now a breeze.

For low traffic announcement only mailing lists, you could
use this M$ free service:

  http://www.hotbot.com/

For the rest (discussion lists, newsletters, etc.), eGroups
is the most easiest one to set-up and manage, and it's also
free:

  http://www.egroups.com/

Or if you prefer the more complex traditional ways, there's
a link to "Managing Internet Mailing Lists" book at the URL
in my sig below.  Then you could go to the following sites
to choose any mailing list providers that best suited for
you (some not free, however):

  http://www.gweep.bc.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-providers.html
  http://www.catalog.com/vivian/mailing-list-providers.html

--Eko
http://survpc.virtualave.net/

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