On 12/19/2014 12:32 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
Do you have evidence to support any specific numbers being abandoned?
I have posted multiple times on this mailing list in the past about
resource 199.248.255.0/24 being abandoned
This is a direct assignment that was made to Leatherman Tool Group back
in 1994 to support a T1 from Internet Partners, Inc. It was abandoned
a few years later when Leatherman switched to a different ISP. Internet
Partners Inc. used it for several years until early 2000's when it got a
/19. Since that time, over a decade, it's been unused.
The Tech org on it is set to
OrgTechName: No, Contact Known
OrgTechPhone: +1-800-555-1234
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
probably as a result of ARIN's POC validation policy. However, the Org
abuse contact on it is set to:
OrgAbuseHandle: BCO-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: O'Brien, Byron
OrgAbusePhone: +1-503-546-9929
OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
OrgAbuseRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/BCO-ARIN
hcorp.com was abandoned when the company it owned went out of business.
It was picked up by a domain speculator which is clearly FRAUDULENTLY
responding to ARIN's email probes. As a result ARIN has
not expired THAT POC which it should have done years ago.
Have you presented that evidence to ARIN?
Yes. I told the hostmaster about this block early 2000's when I
requested and obtained the /19 for Internet Partners, Inc. It was
listed as a "trade in" block as part of the justification to obtain
that /19 (which as a matter of fact, Internet Partners, Inc. returned
the /19 a couple years ago)
It's easy to make claims like this because they are impossible to prove or
disprove in most cases.
In this case it's certainly possible to prove since Leatherman Tools
still exists as a company. A phone call to their IT group from ARIN
would confirm it. A letter to their group would confirm it.
If you have actual evidence of specific abandoned resources to support your
claim, please provide that data to ARIN. I'm fairly certain that they would act
to reclaim abandoned addresses with sufficient evidence.
ARIN isn't interested in expending labor on /24's. The problem is
there's a LOT of /24's out there. And I am quite sure a large number of
them have "No, Contact Known" POC's as a result of validation.
Ted
Owen
On Dec 19, 2014, at 08:08 , Ted Mittelstaedt<[email protected]> wrote:
The Legacy community mostly doesn't exist.
While there are some legacy orgs that have large amounts, and some
smaller ones that have small allocations, who are still using their numbers,
there are a large number of small allocations out there that were abandoned
years ago and ARIN has not reclaimed.
Ted
On 12/18/2014 9:27 AM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
Maybe a majority of the vocal community does, but I doubt if you add in all
members of the community who do not comment and all the members of the
community that only hold legacy allocations, I suspect that might not be the
case. I think the legacy community is speaking volumes by not participating by
commenting in this forum.
Thanks.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Buhrmaster [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:12 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: Owen DeLong; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Steven Ryerse<[email protected]>
wrote:
All of those stats are interesting but they are not what is important here.
What is important is how many small Orgs that applied for the minimum
allocation (as it was defined at the time of the allocation request) since ARIN
was chartered were denied because of needs policy.
I don’t know what that number is but if it is greater than zero, it shouldn’t
have happened! ARIN’s Mission is to Advance the Internet, not to stifle it.
While there is clearly support by some for your position advocating needless
number allocations, the majority of the community supports a review to insure
that the allocations are actually advancing the Internet, and not just throwing
numbers around to whomever asks, whatever their plans (or lack thereof).
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