On Tue, 21 Sep 2021, William Herrin wrote:

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 8:07 AM ARIN <[email protected]> wrote:
Current ARIN policy prevents the use of leased-out addresses as evidence of 
utilization.

OPPOSE.

Independent use of LIR-assigned addresses in BGP should be
discouraged. It pollutes the BGP table by requiring disaggregation of
neighboring addresses which might otherwise be efficiently routable.

Also unclear why we should pretend that LIRs do a better job enforcing
ARIN policy on address registrants than ARIN itself does. A LIR
leasing arrangement delegates that responsibility from ARIN without,
to my view, any good cause.

Also apposed [and very confused]. Is this some kind of mistake or did ARIN-prop-302 [to which I am apposed], which suggested a small edit to NRPM 2.4, removing the language that suggested some connection between LIR->end user IP assignment and network services provided by the LIR, somehow morph into changes to 8.x affecting the transfer of number resources?

ARIN-prop-302 seems to be an attempt to legitimize the practice of leasing IP space, which seems to me has been a grey area, at least not supported by the current definition of LIR in 2.4.

Does anyone else find it odd that "2. Definitions" defines end-user and LIR, but not ISP? 2.4 does say that LIRs are generally ISPs. When are they not ISPs, and when they're not ISPs, what are they?

  Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6

  Remove Circuit Requirement
  Status: Under Discussion
  Shepherds: Andrew Dul, Matthew Wilder

  Current Text (21 September 2021)
  Problem Statement:

  The current language in Sections 8.3 and 8.4 is not clear regarding
  ASN-only transactions as well as the term “number resources”. The
  current language in Section 8.5.7 is not clear with regard to additional
  IPv4 space.

How does the title of this draft policy have anything to do with the problem statement?



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