jh901 wrote: 
> These are your favorite red herrings, Ralph.  There is PLENTY of bs on
> the fringes of ANY hobby.  There can be no argument made for cables
> costing the same as a small compact car.  And so far, no one here is
> suggesting that.
> 
> Back to S/PDIF.  It has shortcomings.  We can try to get into PLL if
> necessary, but I thought that the mysteries of barely measurable jitter
> and our ability to hear it were generally accepted.  Much progress has
> been made in the past decade and much more is understood.  There is no
> rational argument or evidence of any kind that S/PDIF (in a
> source-outboard DAC set up) will rival the sound quality of the same DAC
> in a single box unit.  This debate is over and it isn't a bunch of
> shysters trying to fool us.  Frankly, the characterization of business
> in general within this thread is rather sad.

A few comments.

Over priced cables and wires are must definitively NOT on the fringes of
the high end audio hobby. They are smack dab in the middle and are quite
likely the biggest money making part of the business for all concerned
parties, including the magazines and retailers.

What do you mean by PLL?

"I thought that the mysteries of barely measurable jitter and our
ability to hear it were generally accepted" - only if one believes the
clowns who write for the high end audio press, I do not know of anyone
who can hear "barely measurable jitter", that is other the clowns
previously mentioned.

"There is no rational argument or evidence of any kind that S/PDIF (in a
source-outboard DAC set up) will rival the sound quality of the same DAC
in a single box unit." So I take to mean that the Transporter is the
best sounding device ever made for the playback of digital audio files,
otherwise please explain further because I'm not getting your point.
Also does the same logic apply to the great and powerful asynchronous
USB?


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