Take a close look at the wording on page 7 of the NPRM " Flying training for commercial purposes: Any flying training that is conducted where the provider of that flying training, be they a business, club, association or individual receives remuneration or a benefit for the services. "
The difficult thing to determine is what exactly constitutes "remuneration or a benefit". Some could argue that money in the pie cart payment box is just that, even if it is just to cover the tug/winch and glider hire fees (with no specific "instruction fee" component). The NPRM also states on page 14 that " Whilst many sport aviation flying training organisations may not need to hold AOCs (because they do not conduct flying training on a commercial basis), it is apparent that some organisations that are presently required to hold AOCs are not complying with this requirement. " I wonder who the "some organisations" are ? It all gets back to what the definition of a "commercial basis" really is. Do gliding clubs have "commercial purposes" ? Some might say that unless they are deliberately trying to go bust, then their commercial purpose is to sustain or possibly even improve their lot (and thus the services and assets available to their members). How do you they do that ? By flying aircraft and taking money as payment. Even if you have a small club with no current new recruits under instruction, you still have annual checks / conversion checks to do - are these classified as instructional (in the hope that we actually LEARN something with each check flight) ? Can someone from one of the state associations (being a bit closer to executive level) confirm or deny if this issue has been raised with GFA, and whether they are preparing any sort of response ? Avagoodweekend all Jason Quoting Derek Ruddock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > See Daryl Connell's previous notes on this topic. > If a member of the public wants to fly a glider based on seeing some > advertising, or if they just wish to have a joyflight, and have no > interest in touching the controls, they should not be signed up as a > temporary member of the GFA for an AEF: It sould be argued in court that > it was not an instructional flight. If this is the case, you need an > AOP, and charter rated pilots to fly them. > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/10/01 19:20:56 >>> > Derek, you do not need an AOC to fly AEFs. An AOC is only required to > carry > "passengers" who are not members of the GFA for hire or reward. > People > undertaking AEFs take up membership of the GFA, and there is no > restriction > on us taking members for a flight. This is how the small clubs cope. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Derek > Ruddock > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 09:24 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] AOC Training (Sporting Aviation) > > > This is exactly what we had to go through to renew our club AOC . > Interviews of the CFI by CASA prior to him being 'approved', > a huge amount of effort & rework, before our operations manual was > 'approved', > a mountain of paperwork etc etc. All this to fly TIF's (sorry AEF's) > > How are small clubs going to cope? > -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information.
