Guys,
There must be a line in the sand, it is not imposed lightly and if you ask
Kevin O he will give you the data to back it up.
Keep i mind, low hours and complex slipery sailplanes with a huge range of
operating conditions stacks up on the side of higher risk.
If it is to be found over perscriptive then have it changed using a risk
analysis. I will support that.
Cheers
Mark
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:43:51 +0930From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting LicencesI'll have to agree there, I think one can
safely assume that all of us have, at one point, seen things that scare us or
things that impress us from the ones we wouldn't expect it from (or in some
cases, would expect it from). I think I worded that correctly. Dion.
On 04/06/07, Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Al wrote
There appear to be very few non-instructors who hold L2 independent ops.
Al,
Maybe were you come from – where I come from there are quite a number of
serious cross country
pilots (L2 independent operator endorsed) who do not want an instructors rating
even if they
were given away free at the front gate. In my case the tug roster keeps me out
of my glider more then
I would prefer.
Independent Operator endorsements should not be solely geared to the number of
hours people have flown, it also has
to be competency based. There will be members who will be ready before they
reach the pre-requisite hours
and there will be members you would never leave alone with a glider no matter
how many hours they have flown.
SDF
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al BorowskiSent:
Monday, 4 June 2007 9:38 PMTo: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences
Hi All,I think the best thing about a license is that it would be a concrete
goal for students to aim for after solo. This license would demonstrate that a
pilot has sufficient skill to be responsible for their own actions. The C
certificate falls far short of this. With a C cert you still need instructor
approval to fly cross country, or to take passengers. I'm not saying that a C
certificate qualifies a pilot to make these decisions without instructor
approval - rather there doesn't seem to be a country-wide bit of paper to work
towards that says you are suitably qualified.In addition, unless you are a
level 2 Independent Operator, your club is always responsible for your
operations according to the MOSP - even if you are in a motorglider flying
engine-on 1000K's away.It seems to me that with the GFA, virtually everyone is
considered either a student or an instructor. There appear to be very few
non-instructors who hold L2 independent ops. The problem is the L2 IO rating
takes 200 gliding hours to earn. To an ab-initio student that is an impossibly
huge number of hours.I still haven't heard any justifications for such a huge
figure (Remember you can earn a PPL in less then a third of that time). Why not
lower the 200 hour figure to say 30-50 hours and call it the license?Cheers,Al
On 6/3/07, Mark Rowe < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Guys, There is an option now, Good?? Sustainable?? Fair?? Legal?? Its
definately for "individual thinkers and not team players". Personaly i am quite
proud to be a part of an Organization that although sometimes imperfect, (who
isnt) speaks as one voice for our collective rights. Really if you dont agree
with anything the GFA do, the job can be yours (be prepared for the workload
though and real decisions are made by volunteirs).I do wonder about how that
"parallel Path" gets administered though, I am in licensing now and boy the
international requirements are conveluted to say the least. With cost recovery
(see warbirds at the moment) it may be a very beurocratic and expencive path. I
hate this whole show me your qualls crap out there now, when i see a red card
(ASIC) around a persons neck at a non RPT AP it allerts me to the wanker status
imediately. Worst is he has probably been told by some wannabe he MUST wear
it.Take me back to the 70s, Sir Don actually still had benifits of his vision
hapening. This is all my personal view and not to be taken as gosphel or any
policy, i get it wrong regularly, its too bloody hard to keep clear.Its nice to
hear other views and expressions though, constructive crytisism may one day
push towards improvements albeit slowly.. In sumary there are a lot of warts on
this toad and the toad we have is at least not poisonous. Cheers Mark P.S I do
get payed by CASA, doesnt mean i am CASA, i do regularly see some really clever
dedicated people in there though. and i owe the place a lot, if i knew then
what i know now!!!!
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