pain never hurt anyone, tie em to a tree and thrash them senseless..
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Al Borowski 
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here?


  Argh. Sorry. It's a monday morning and last night I bashed my head, hard, 
against a chair. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

  Al

   
  On 10/20/08, JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
    Hi Al,
    nothing !!! sorry Al it was out of character for me, but I was being 
facetious, but a little disipline never hurt anybody right? ( cover me with 
icecream and bite my bum, I love it)
    JR
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Al Borowski 
      To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
      Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:06 AM
      Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here?

       
      G'day JR,

      If you had a PPL and owned your own Cessna, CASA trusts that you keep 
your medical and BFR up to date. If they catch you operating illegally bad 
things happen. What's so special about motorgliders?

      Cheers,

      Al

       
      On 10/20/08, JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
        Hi Tim,
        who would know when you had your annual flight reveiw, or who would 
know how current you were, this could get pretty nasty, thats why we have 
CFI's, to make sure we all know how to recover from incipient spins, and fly 
proper circuits.
        regards
        JR
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Tim Shirley 
          To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in 
Australia. 
          Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:21 AM
          Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here?

           
          Hi Tom,

          Yes I think what I was getting at is that the high performance end of 
the game is going very well at present, and I think could be better exploited 
as a success by the organisation, and better supported in terms of 
organisational structure and coaching.  

          I don't claim to have all the answers, just a general observation 
that one size doesn't fit all - and the current structure (not the individuals 
necessarily) seems locked in to a concept that we are all either instructors or 
at varying levels students.  For example, we must belong to a club, which must 
have a Chief Flying Instructor.  Why a CFI, if the club does no training?  
Indeed, if we have and an independent operator rating why do we need to belong 
to a club at all, if we have a self-launcher or we are willing to pay the going 
rate for a tow to any licenced tug pilot?

          Cheers

          Tim

          tom claffey wrote:


                  Agreed Tim, the old club system and new "high performance - 
private owner" systems are working in parralel. GA equates more to the latter 
while RAA is closer to GFA type but less supervision needed due to engines. I 
wonder about accident levels [esp if less instructor supervision as some would 
like]

                   Like Rolf I went to a WGC and GFA [much appreciated] funding 
didn't quite cover entry fee - so only airfares/glider/car/accomm etc to be 
paid by me [tows sponsered by a friendly diamond magnate] I now coach where I 
can and instruct Junior cadets.

                  After 19000hrs and a GA grade one instructor rating perhaps 
Mike would accept me for his annual check!! [perhaps a ropebreak at 200' for a 
start]:)

                  Tom

                  --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Tim Shirley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

                    From: Tim Shirley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
                    Subject: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here?
                    To: "Aus-Soaring" <[email protected]>
                    Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 11:48 AM


An excess of pPrunes was having its usual effect, so I thought I might 
ask a slightly different question.

Gliding today - like it or not - is largely a sport and/or recreation 
involving high-tech and expensive equipment which requires high levels 
of skill, resources and dedication to get the best out of it all.  It 
has much more in common with off-shore sailing than it has with teaching 
people to fly Cessnas or Technams.  Yet our structures and attitudes 
still reflect the fantasy that we are mainly a flying training and 
airworthiness organisation.  Just look at the current controversy over 
the status of coaching to see how deep some people can
 bury their heads 
in the sand.

The big question is, what structures, training and organisation do we 
need to support and grow the type of activity that gliding is now and 
will be in the future? 

Unless you have a police box handy, going back to the good old days 
isn't an option.

Enjoy the prunes.

Tim




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