I was talking about the implication that your 80% were too smart to do instructing - I wasn't implying they don't contribute in other ways, just that (you say) they consciously decide to leave instructing to others so they can fly more themselves.
"I believe they have kept their eye on the big picture, know what it is really want and not become a prisoner of the Instructors Roster" Generally the way to become a prisoner of any roster is to not have enough others on the roster? I think we're all entitled to retire eventually, or even just take a sabbatical. But somebody has to do it. R. --- On Tue, 21/10/08, Stuart & Kerri Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Stuart & Kerri Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here? > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in > Australia.'" <[email protected]> > Received: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 4:33 AM > Richard - read the post!! > > I said that they do contribute, I just did not say how. > > Most of them are maintainers and tug pilots, some are both > - obviously you > don't need them. > > SDF > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of McLean > Richard > Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 10:45 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here? > > Maybe if lucky/self-indulgent 80% didn't choose to > leave the responsibility > to the others everyone could get 'the big picture' > more often! > > Who taught them? > > > --- On Mon, 20/10/08, Stuart & Kerri Ferguson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Stuart & Kerri Ferguson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here? > > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to > Soaring in Australia.'" > <[email protected]> > > Received: Monday, 20 October, 2008, 10:23 AM > > Tim, > > > > To add to the cross section of observations and > > experience - at my > > club approx 80% of the member who > > > > are doing the long cross countries, flying high in > mountain > > wave regularly > > and entering competitions are not instructors, > > > > This is not saying don't contribute because they > ALL > > do. I believe they have > > kept their eye on the big picture, know what it is > > > > really want and not become a prisoner of the > Instructors > > Roster > > > > > > > > How many times have you seen an instructor turn up at > your > > club to enjoy a > > private days flying only to find them selves > > > > looking after another members needs rather than their > own? > > > > > > > > > > SDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Tim Shirley > > Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 8:51 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to > > Soaring in Australia. > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here? > > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Yes I think what I was getting at is that the high > > performance end of the > > game is going very well at present, and I think could > be > > better exploited as > > a success by the organisation, and better supported in > > terms of > > organisational structure and coaching. > > > > I don't claim to have all the answers, just a > general > > observation that one > > size doesn't fit all - and the current structure > (not > > the individuals > > necessarily) seems locked in to a concept that we are > all > > either instructors > > or at varying levels students. For example, we must > belong > > to a club, which > > must have a Chief Flying Instructor. Why a CFI, if > the > > club does no > > training? Indeed, if we have and an independent > operator > > rating why do we > > need to belong to a club at all, if we have a > self-launcher > > or we are > > willing to pay the going rate for a tow to any > licenced tug > > pilot? > > > > Cheers > > > > Tim > > > > tom claffey wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed Tim, the old club system and new "high > > performance - private owner" > > systems are working in parralel. GA equates more to > the > > latter while RAA is > > closer to GFA type but less supervision needed due to > > engines. I wonder > > about accident levels [esp if less instructor > supervision > > as some would > > like] > > > > Like Rolf I went to a WGC and GFA [much appreciated] > > funding didn't quite > > cover entry fee - so only airfares/glider/car/accomm > etc to > > be paid by me > > [tows sponsered by a friendly diamond magnate] I now > coach > > where I can and > > instruct Junior cadets. > > > > After 19000hrs and a GA grade one instructor rating > perhaps > > Mike would > > accept me for his annual check!! [perhaps a ropebreak > at > > 200' for a start]:) > > > > Tom > > > > --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Tim Shirley > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: Tim Shirley > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here? > > To: "Aus-Soaring" > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected]> > > Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 11:48 AM > > > > An excess of pPrunes was having its usual effect, so I > > thought I might > > ask a slightly different question. > > > > Gliding today - like it or not - is largely a sport > and/or > > recreation > > involving high-tech and expensive equipment which > requires > > high levels > > of skill, resources and dedication to get the best out > of > > it all. It > > has much more in common with off-shore sailing than it > has > > with teaching > > people to fly Cessnas or Technams. Yet our structures > and > > attitudes > > still reflect the fantasy that we are mainly a flying > > training and > > airworthiness organisation. Just look at the current > > controversy over > > the status of coaching to see how deep some people can > > bury their heads > > in the sand. > > > > The big question is, what structures, training and > > organisation do we > > need to support and grow the type of activity that > gliding > > is now and > > will be in the future? > > > > Unless you have a police box handy, going back to the > good > > old days > > isn't an option. > > > > Enjoy the prunes. > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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