Richard - read the post!! I said that they do contribute, I just did not say how.
Most of them are maintainers and tug pilots, some are both - obviously you don't need them. SDF -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McLean Richard Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 10:45 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here? Maybe if lucky/self-indulgent 80% didn't choose to leave the responsibility to the others everyone could get 'the big picture' more often! Who taught them? --- On Mon, 20/10/08, Stuart & Kerri Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Stuart & Kerri Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here? > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" <[email protected]> > Received: Monday, 20 October, 2008, 10:23 AM > Tim, > > To add to the cross section of observations and > experience - at my > club approx 80% of the member who > > are doing the long cross countries, flying high in mountain > wave regularly > and entering competitions are not instructors, > > This is not saying don't contribute because they ALL > do. I believe they have > kept their eye on the big picture, know what it is > > really want and not become a prisoner of the Instructors > Roster > > > > How many times have you seen an instructor turn up at your > club to enjoy a > private days flying only to find them selves > > looking after another members needs rather than their own? > > > > > SDF > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tim Shirley > Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 8:51 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to > Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here? > > > > Hi Tom, > > Yes I think what I was getting at is that the high > performance end of the > game is going very well at present, and I think could be > better exploited as > a success by the organisation, and better supported in > terms of > organisational structure and coaching. > > I don't claim to have all the answers, just a general > observation that one > size doesn't fit all - and the current structure (not > the individuals > necessarily) seems locked in to a concept that we are all > either instructors > or at varying levels students. For example, we must belong > to a club, which > must have a Chief Flying Instructor. Why a CFI, if the > club does no > training? Indeed, if we have and an independent operator > rating why do we > need to belong to a club at all, if we have a self-launcher > or we are > willing to pay the going rate for a tow to any licenced tug > pilot? > > Cheers > > Tim > > tom claffey wrote: > > > > > > Agreed Tim, the old club system and new "high > performance - private owner" > systems are working in parralel. GA equates more to the > latter while RAA is > closer to GFA type but less supervision needed due to > engines. I wonder > about accident levels [esp if less instructor supervision > as some would > like] > > Like Rolf I went to a WGC and GFA [much appreciated] > funding didn't quite > cover entry fee - so only airfares/glider/car/accomm etc to > be paid by me > [tows sponsered by a friendly diamond magnate] I now coach > where I can and > instruct Junior cadets. > > After 19000hrs and a GA grade one instructor rating perhaps > Mike would > accept me for his annual check!! [perhaps a ropebreak at > 200' for a start]:) > > Tom > > --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Tim Shirley > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Tim Shirley <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Where to from here? > To: "Aus-Soaring" > <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 11:48 AM > > An excess of pPrunes was having its usual effect, so I > thought I might > ask a slightly different question. > > Gliding today - like it or not - is largely a sport and/or > recreation > involving high-tech and expensive equipment which requires > high levels > of skill, resources and dedication to get the best out of > it all. It > has much more in common with off-shore sailing than it has > with teaching > people to fly Cessnas or Technams. Yet our structures and > attitudes > still reflect the fantasy that we are mainly a flying > training and > airworthiness organisation. Just look at the current > controversy over > the status of coaching to see how deep some people can > bury their heads > in the sand. > > The big question is, what structures, training and > organisation do we > need to support and grow the type of activity that gliding > is now and > will be in the future? > > Unless you have a police box handy, going back to the good > old days > isn't an option. > > Enjoy the prunes. > > Tim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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