Actually Gus there is software that model flight and attitude changes ...... think condor and others.
If some one is known to be able to make duff traces they would not be banned from entering in comps, really think about it , now think some more about it. What Scott is saying there is the added protection in the falsification process... the Official Observer. If in a comp the O.O was looking over your shoulder as you loaded your task and declared it, He un plugs it, he install's it in the glider and seals the cables with tape and markings photographes it with his camera , you fly the task, as you finish your rollout he verifies the tape and markings and then photo graphs it again, then he removes it for down load and submittal for scoring. With the official process adhered to no falsification can occur. The only time some one could falsify logs at a comp is if the pilot could walk away with the logger unattended for a period of say 5 hours then reappear with it for scoring. Mind you you would need a freekin big carload of gear to fiddle with the file. What the gliding community has got wrong and why many people leave as it is a recreation activity for them, not everyone wants to do 1000km flights some don't even want to any of the certificates or badges, and some like me cant be bothered submitting their IGC files for badges, Yes sure doing goal flights is something to aim for, but its not for everyone. If i ever decide to fly in a state comp, and i'm known as a "file hack", then have 10 Official Observers for me, have a chase plane following me throughout the entire task, at the end of the day if i do the task successfully then the IGC log should have no problem with the scorer of the day. As a matter of fact stick a separate logger someone else owns in the deep guts of my Cirrus, the 2 loggers will say the same thing. Really i have shown it is possible to create duff files, what i have not and will not ever do is submit one for a claim of any kind. Some of us hack things for fun, this was just one of my extending the powers of my brain projects. Next is a home made 150mw green laser ............................. <evil grin > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gus Stewart Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2011 9:20 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Forgery and sabotage I think a forgery would be pretty easy to spot - a true glider's data plot is erratic, but predictably so. The person who programmed the RF simulator would have to be able to perfectly model a glider's position and altitude changes in a "thermal" , model the wind correctly and be highly detailed overall otherwise a forgery would be easy to spot (especially if someone knew the conditions of the day). And if found, that person would never be allowed to launch in a competition ever again, nor be able to log a record. Possibly not be welcome in any club. You'd think with all the effort that would go into creating a valid and undetectable plot, you could have used the money and time to get in your glider and practice a little.... -Gus On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:42 PM, John McFarlane <[email protected]> wrote: Bring back start lines and start times, fixed turning points and film camera's :) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2011 10:56 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Forgery and sabotage {Quote}Mind you I think the most important person is the witness (damn what are they called?) - because they know the conditions of the day, they can see from a trace if it was real or faked right away. They see you took off, landed. Scott" "Official Observer", I believe is the term Regards Deviant Ben _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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