Tim - you may have set someone a challenge ;) Stuart FERGUSON Mob 0419 797508
On 21/01/2011, at 7:52, "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> wrote: > As a competition organiser, and as an Official Observer, I continue to yawn. > It is a non-issue. > > > > GPS signal generators have been around since before the first satellites were > launched. The fact that they are now available as an iPhone app or whatever > does not change the security issue even slightly – a chain with one weak link > is just as weak as one with 100. > > > > The claim that simulated GPS signals are undetectable is simply rubbish, and > has been for a very long time. > > > > I am watching eagerly for someone in this thread to say something that is > actually new. There are new things about, but this is definitely not one of > them. > > > > And as I said yesterday, if you want to try cheating, go ahead. Make my day. > > > > Cheers > > > > Tim > > > > tra dire e fare c`è mezzo il mare > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 21 January 2011 00:59 > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Forgery and sabotage > > > > Actually Gus there is software that model flight and attitude changes ...... > think condor and others. > > > > If some one is known to be able to make duff traces they would not be banned > from entering in comps, really think about it , now think some more about it. > > > > What Scott is saying there is the added protection in the falsification > process... the Official Observer. > > > > If in a comp the O.O was looking over your shoulder as you loaded your task > and declared it, He un plugs it, he install’s it in the glider and seals the > cables with tape and markings photographes it with his camera , you fly the > task, as you finish your rollout he verifies the tape and markings and then > photo graphs it again, then he removes it for down load and submittal for > scoring. > > > > With the official process adhered to no falsification can occur. > > > > The only time some one could falsify logs at a comp is if the pilot could > walk away with the logger unattended for a period of say 5 hours then > reappear with it for scoring. > > > > Mind you you would need a freekin big carload of gear to fiddle with the file. > > > > What the gliding community has got wrong and why many people leave as it is a > recreation activity for them, not everyone wants to do 1000km flights some > don’t even want to any of the certificates or badges, and some like me cant > be bothered submitting their IGC files for badges, Yes sure doing goal > flights is something to aim for, but its not for everyone. > > > > If i ever decide to fly in a state comp, and i’m known as a “file hack”, then > have 10 Official Observers for me, have a chase plane following me throughout > the entire task, at the end of the day if i do the task successfully then the > IGC log should have no problem with the scorer of the day. As a matter of > fact stick a separate logger someone else owns in the deep guts of my Cirrus, > the 2 loggers will say the same thing. > > > > Really i have shown it is possible to create duff files, what i have not and > will not ever do is submit one for a claim of any kind. > > > > Some of us hack things for fun, this was just one of my extending the powers > of my brain projects. > > > > Next is a home made 150mw green laser ............................. <evil > grin > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gus Stewart > Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2011 9:20 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Forgery and sabotage > > > > I think a forgery would be pretty easy to spot - a true glider's data plot is > erratic, but predictably so. > > The person who programmed the RF simulator would have to be able to perfectly > model a glider's position and altitude changes in a "thermal" , model the > wind correctly and be highly detailed overall otherwise a forgery would be > easy to spot (especially if someone knew the conditions of the day). > > > > And if found, that person would never be allowed to launch in a competition > ever again, nor be able to log a record. Possibly not be welcome in any club. > You'd think with all the effort that would go into creating a valid and > undetectable plot, you could have used the money and time to get in your > glider and practice a little.... > > > > -Gus > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:42 PM, John McFarlane > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bring back start lines and start times, fixed turning points and film > camera's :) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2011 10:56 PM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Forgery and sabotage > > {Quote}Mind you I think the most important person is the witness (damn what > are they called?) - because they know the conditions of the day, they can > see from a trace if it was real or faked right away. They see you took off, > landed. > > Scott" > > > > > "Official Observer", I believe is the term > > Regards > > Deviant Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3390 - Release Date: 01/19/11 > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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