Its time to get back to the Topic - is a B800 a good Club Vario, in my
opinion yes, in the opinion of others
there are better options.
In my experience as a maintainer not a pilot of club aircraft; some pilots
who fly club aircraft treat them as is they are
their private aircraft, personalising both software and fittings to meet
their own requirements. This is not a desirable
outcome; from a fittings prospective we see specialised mountings being
fitted to club aircraft and it becomes a Dog's
Breakfast; apologies to all those dogs who do not make a mess at breakfast
time.
The second problem is that some members like to personalise the software,
this works provided every member using
the aircraft is on the same page, but as you will appreciate they are not;
what is wonderful for one member is living hell
for others; hence Varios that are designed with Club Operations in mind (not
to many options) are in my opinion the better
option.
As for my opinion about SeeYou V XCSoar - my last experience with XCSoar is
probably 8 years ago and I did not like it.
I know it has come a long way since then but I have no problems with SeeYou,
I find they support their products when required
excellent so have no drivers that make me want to consider changing. It is
also fact that when members of my club ask for direction
in these matters many are not asking what is best, they are asking what is
the cheapest way to achieve an outcome. Some then bitch
about why they can't claim their Diamond Height using an android phone
supporting XCSoar!!
It's time for Coffee J
SDF
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Bart
Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013 11:05 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club vario-continued
Well when you made the statement you did not indicate that it was a result
of consumer feedback, if indeed users of a free product can be classified as
consumers, you have simply made a statement that by any measure was
disparaging of XCSoar.
Anyway, I am yet to find the any problems with XCSoar, and so are many
others, given the posts here.
Paul
On Oct 18, 2013 9:21 PM, "Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Paul,
sorry not true; In my experience when members are asked why they
use XCSoar the majority will tell you "because it's free" - if honest
consumer
feedback is seen to be a put down that's disappointing.
Stuart FERGUSON
Phone - 0419 797508
On 19/10/2013, at 9:51, Paul Bart <[email protected]> wrote:
"The biggest attraction of XCSoar is its free."
Sorry Stuart, but that is an unnecessary put down for many people who
developed XCSoar. I use Oudie withSeeYou (fitted to a club glider) and I use
XCSoar. I can assure you that the relatively low cost of SeeYou (if you
consider the annual cost of maintaining a glider) would not deter me from
using it. I use XCSoar because I prefer it.
Cheers
Paul
On 19 October 2013 06:38, Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON <[email protected]>
wrote:
Alan,
I'll disagree about the pre flight niggles.
Mine is a Club Class aircraft, a B500 and an (using SeeZyou) set up with
aircraft
and location profiles; apart from entering the task of the day it's plug and
play - and
thats what most club pilots want.
The biggest attraction of XCSoar is its free.
Stuart FERGUSON
Phone - 0419 797508
On 19/10/2013, at 7:05, Alan Wilson <[email protected]> wrote:
I would like to say XCSoar is great. If you own a $100k glider then perhaps
several more thousand on cockpit instruments is your fancy. In my experience
they have most of the same niggles: they all need plenty of pre flight work.
I fly whatever the club offers at club rates so the club benefits. I carry
a $50 Chinese GPS velcro'd to my Jeans. It is now powered by a $50 Kogan USB
6600 mah battery. Sometimes I can fit it on a RAM mount powered by a
cigarette lighter fitting in some club gliders.
XCSoar provides me with heaps of information: wind velocity after 3 orbits,
long snail trail, last thermal sources, in sector at turn points, very
accurate final glides, safety heights...... And a multitude of other
information. The red/green below/about glide marker on the LHS keeps me
safe when local soaring etc. you can see meant traces on the OLC.
Simple, effective, cheap and mine in any glider.
XCSoar guys, many thanks, please keep it up and open source. Ta...
Alan Wilson
Canberra for the last 40 years.
Sent from my iPad...... So I know about proprietary software.
On 18 Oct 2013, at 22:46, Paul Bart <[email protected]> wrote:
I would like to support Scott's position. I have run XCSoar on many devices
HP 318, Dell Streak, lately on Nexus 7 and Nexus 4., never a problem. On
Android even the update take care of themselves. A fantastic project.
Cheers
Paul
On 18 October 2013 16:39, Scott Penrose <[email protected]> wrote:
On 18/10/2013, at 5:27 PM, Mark Fisher wrote:
When you run XCSoar you accept the niggles of open source. Food for thought.
I really have no comment on how XCSoar runs on the Oudie, never seen or done
it.
But the comment is about out of line for open source. What phone do you use?
Is Android more niggly than iOS? Maybe. What about Chrome vs IE? Open Office
vs Office? Firefox? List could go on for a few pages in 8 point font.
Quality of projects, installation, documentation and usability is not based
on whether it is open source or not. Of course there is a lot more open
source software, so you get more of all types :-)
Scott
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