I sincerely mean no disrespect to anyone and don't intend to enter into unproductive arguments but since when does what someone says override what's written in a legal document? Chris has already posted here that changes are envisaged. As it stands I can't see how what is actually written in the MOSP matches what you were told, Ross.
The motivation behind my original post was that I was wondering whether overseas pilots who hold an FAI Sporting License and a pilot's LICENSE which entails the privileges that are more along the lines of an L2 IO rating would be made to convert this into a certificate of a somewhat lesser standing (whichever way you interpret the MOSP or what has been posted here on the list). These people who had to jump through a few hoops to get these licenses (in many cases more stringent than in Australia) may now be asked to obtain yet another piece of paper/plastic (although I've been told off list that this may now not be the case). Similarly for Australian pilots who have had to go through the hassles of obtaining foreign licenses to be able to compete overseas. Ok, maybe not that big a deal for an individual but over the next few years we have the honour (with due praise to those who made this happen!!) of hosting a few World Championships including the respective pre-Worlds which will attract more than a handful of overseas pilots. So I am also thinking of the volunteers and possibly paid staff (= GFA membership fees) needed to convert one piece of paper/plastic into another piece of paper/plastic, which the volunteer competition organisers will then have to dutifully verify and all with the expectation of a reasonable timeframe... when they could be doing more productive things to make these events a pleasant experience for our international guests. Best regards, Ulrich From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:42 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just coming back to an earlier thread regarding Independent Operator Level 1 qualification included in the GPC. I am pleased to say that it IS in fact included: On 24/08/2014, Ulrich Stauss < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: > So whilst the GPC tells me that the pilot has been trained to L1 IO > standard, the privileges and limitations depend on the log book > endorsements (not the GPC)........ Ulrich, this is in fact NOT correct. I asked Drew McKinnie, the Chairman of Operations Panel, about this and his response was as follows: "The GPC includes the Independent operator L1 qualification. Put another way, the GPC is the basis for our syllabus and pilot certification, while the L1/L2 IO quals are needed as a formal endorsement to give pilots the authority (and responsibility) for operations when not supervised by CFIs and club instructors. The GPC syllabus is at Operational Regulations at Appendix 3, invoked at Section 3.3, and is approved by CASA. GPC Syllabus Item 39 is Independent Operator level 1 and Item 40 Glider Pilot Certificate (application authorised). So completion of GPC includes L1 IO as a prerequisite. " The two key phrases to note here are: * " The GPC includes the Independent operator L1 qualification. .." * " So completion of GPC includes L1 IO as a prerequisite. " Thanks for clearing this up Drew. ROSS ____________________________________________________________________________ _____________ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 25 August 2014 1:25 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Al, as I recall at the time the original concept was that the GPC would in fact be a L1 Independent Operator qualification. The requirement to still have an instructor endorse your logbook etc wasn't in the original spec. It came later as a result of the OFITTH influence. ROSS -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Al Borowski Sent: Monday, 25 August 2014 12:23 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes On 24/08/2014, Ulrich Stauss < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: > So whilst the GPC tells me that the pilot has been trained to L1 IO > standard, the privileges and limitations depend on the log book > endorsements (not the GPC). I could imagine that for some clubs and > CFIs the legal liabilities arising from MOSP 2, paragraph 13.1.2 > > ("The Club of a person exercising Level 1 Independent Operator > privileges is responsible for that person's operations, even when the > person is operating > independently") may be considered too high a risk exposure in this day > and age so that they may wish to restrict the privileges by such > logbook endorsements. I've never understood the point of this. My driving instructor isn't responsible for any stupidity on my behalf once I have a car license. The same goes for a number of other licenses (boat, RAA etc) I hold. Why is there seemingly no stage in between 'gliding student' and 'gliding instructor'? Admittedly this only makes a real difference with privately owned gliders / motorgliders. If you're flying a club glider obviously the club can impose whatever conditions they want. 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