Edna, I think it's a greater possibility that his name was originally Corvelo . It's more common in Flores
Eric Edgar On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Edna Epps <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been watching the postings on the Carvalho family from Flores and I > also am very interested. My Great Grandfather was named Manuel Crovel > (Crovelle) here in USA, but I'm sure he was a Carvalho. All the past > records I've found show he was from Flores. He apparently came to USA as a > young man maybe 15 or 16 yrs on a whaling ship. He ended up in California > in 1867 and settled in Hawkinsville, Ca, which is near Yreka, Ca about 15 > miles south of the Oregon border. So far I have not been able to find out > who his parents were or which village in Flores that he was from. Family > records show he was born about 1832 in Flores. IF any of you have a > "missing" Manuel from Flores, I'd be interested. I have had DNA done on > both myself, my brother, my son, so maybe I should look for connectiions > with some of you there? I haven't had a lot of time to look at or study > all your Carvalho emails yet, but wanted to put in my 2 cents anyhow in > hopes someone might know something.;) > Thanks.. > Edna Lemos Epps > [email protected] > [ISAIAH 46:4 NIV] > Even to your old age and gray hairs I am He, I am > He who will sustain you. I have made you and I will > carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you. > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Annie Carvalho <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I don't know. > I think this is my family. > The names are all family names. > The first names are right. > The dates and village are right. > If it is them, there will be 7 more children: > > > - > Alfredo Carvalho > <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26106961840> > - > Anna Carvalho > <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263669> > - > Antonio Carvalho > <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263568> > - > Cecilia Carvalho > <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263677> > - > Christina Carvalho > <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263644> > - > Manuel Carvalho > <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263592> > - > Jose Joachim "JJ" Carvalho > <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26106360198>1884 - 1964 > - > Maria Carvalho > <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203232324>1890 - 1962 > - > Joao John Joachim Carvalho > <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26121135035>1903 - > > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:38:02 PM UTC-8, luiznoia wrote: >> >> Annie, >> >> Yes a different Carvalho family. >> >> The record that says Maria Jose de Freitas is the same person. It could >> be a transcription error by the archivist, or the way the priest wrote it. >> >> I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. My mom's family came from Flores >> and I have cousins raised there that are now in the US and Canada. >> >> Eric >> >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Annie Carvalho <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Eric, >>> >>> I want to be sure I understand you. >>> >>> Are you saying this family you gave me information for is not my family? >>> Because the names and dates fit, but my family did NOT go to Hawaii, >>> though I'm in contact with a good friend in Hawaii whose husband is a >>> Carvalho. >>> >>> And are you saying that >>> Maria de Jesus de Freitas and >>> Maria de Jose de Freitas are the same person because a different priest >>> did the recording? >>> >>> Thank you for all the information. I really appreciate it. >>> I figured out after a bit that the paternos and maternos were the >>> grandparents. >>> >>> Do you live in Flores? Because my Tio Alfredo just passed away there a >>> few years ago and I still have a cousin, Joaquina, who lives there with her >>> husband whose last name is Felix. I'm not sure what became of the house >>> that Tio Alfredo lived in, but it is the same house his parents lived in >>> and I have both an old photo of the house waaaaay back when and then a new >>> photo I took when I was in the Azores a few years ago. >>> >>> A photo of that house and of my grandfather and his family can be seen >>> on my blog at this link: Our Precious Past >>> <http://www.ourpreciouspast.blogspot.com/2015/02/jj-carvalho-short-biography.html> >>> >>> Again, thank you for the information. >>> Annie >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 9:11 AM, luiznoia . <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Annie, >>>> >>>> The Carvalho family I worked on came in 1911 to Hawaii, then settled in >>>> the Niles, Alameda, California >>>> >>>> The parish church for the freguisia of *Bretanha* in the concelho of *Ponta >>>> Delgada*, island of* Sao Miguel* is called *Nossa Senhora de Ajuda*, >>>> so the records read *Ajuda de Bretanha*. >>>> >>>> *Nossa Senhora de Ajuda* means Our Lady of Help ( or assistance). >>>> There is another freguisia in the neighboring concelho of *Ribeira >>>> Grande* called *Fenais de Ajuda*, so it's important to know which one >>>> to look in. >>>> >>>> Paternos- the father's parents, Materno-the mother's parents >>>> >>>> >>>> On differences in names in records- It's common that a persons baptism >>>> record, marriage (casamento), and death record (obito) are going to be >>>> written by different priests >>>> >>>> The way they record the names does tend to change. In the marriage >>>> record, she was recorded as Maria Jose de Freitas, yes, same person >>>> >>>> The baptism record shows the given name at birth, but the middle name >>>> used later is often the confirmation name. The surname can be the father's, >>>> mother's , any of the >>>> >>>> grandparents, or a combination of those, and maybe an alcunha >>>> (nickname) added. >>>> >>>> >>>> Eric Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Repost for Annie Carvalho, anniesantiago13 at gmail.com >>>>> (Note: Because these were multiple messages sent within minutes of >>>>> each other, they were being flagged as spam. All responses are being >>>>> placed into 1 message on the correct thread. Thank yous were deleted). >>>>> >>>>> Yes, Emma and her parents are full Azorian Portuguese. Their name was >>>>> Tomas, and was changed to Thomas. >>>>> They were from the island of Pico. >>>>> Are you asking for dates for Emma and JJ Carvalho? >>>>> ============== >>>>> John, did your uncle own a gas station in Hanford? >>>>> ============== >>>>> Some of these names are very familiar. >>>>> I will look at this closely today. >>>>> ============== >>>>> I was surprised the passport didn't have her birthdate on it. >>>>> Did you see it? >>>>> I knew she was born in Santa Cruz - that was a mistake on my part. >>>>> Thanks for catching it. >>>>> ============ >>>>> Eric, that Carvalho family from San Jorge may be my ex-husband's >>>>> family. >>>>> I will contact him and let him know. >>>>> ============ >>>>> Is Bretanha, Ajuda a place? >>>>> I thought it was a family surname. >>>>> I found this name carved in the door at the Bishop's prison in St. >>>>> Jean Pied de Port when I walked the Camino Santiago. >>>>> I have a photo. >>>>> I'll try to find it and post it. >>>>> ============ >>>>> Eric, >>>>> When you say "paterno" I'm not sure who this is? >>>>> ========== >>>>> My grandmother is Maria de JESUS de Freitas, not Maria de Jose de >>>>> Freitas. >>>>> Is this the same person? >>>>> Annie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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