Thanks Eric, you are probably right. Right now, I'm kind of hoping for of clue of anything that's close!;)
♥Edna [email protected] On Feb 25, 2015, at 2:00 PM, luiznoia . <[email protected]> wrote: Edna, I think it's a greater possibility that his name was originally Corvelo . It's more common in Flores Eric Edgar On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Edna Epps <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I have been watching the postings on the Carvalho family from Flores and I also am very interested. My Great Grandfather was named Manuel Crovel (Crovelle) here in USA, but I'm sure he was a Carvalho. All the past records I've found show he was from Flores. He apparently came to USA as a young man maybe 15 or 16 yrs on a whaling ship. He ended up in California in 1867 and settled in Hawkinsville, Ca, which is near Yreka, Ca about 15 miles south of the Oregon border. So far I have not been able to find out who his parents were or which village in Flores that he was from. Family records show he was born about 1832 in Flores. IF any of you have a "missing" Manuel from Flores, I'd be interested. I have had DNA done on both myself, my brother, my son, so maybe I should look for connectiions with some of you there? I haven't had a lot of time to look at or study all your Carvalho emails yet, but wanted to put in my 2 cents anyhow in hopes someone might know something.;) Thanks.. Edna Lemos Epps [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [ISAIAH 46:4 NIV] Even to your old age and gray hairs I am He, I am He who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you. On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Annie Carvalho <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I don't know. I think this is my family. The names are all family names. The first names are right. The dates and village are right. If it is them, there will be 7 more children: Alfredo Carvalho <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26106961840> Anna Carvalho <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263669> Antonio Carvalho <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263568> Cecilia Carvalho <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263677> Christina Carvalho <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263644> Manuel Carvalho <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263592> Jose Joachim "JJ" Carvalho <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26106360198> 1884 – 1964 Maria Carvalho <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203232324> 1890 – 1962 Joao John Joachim Carvalho <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26121135035> 1903 – On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:38:02 PM UTC-8, luiznoia wrote: Annie, Yes a different Carvalho family. The record that says Maria Jose de Freitas is the same person. It could be a transcription error by the archivist, or the way the priest wrote it. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. My mom's family came from Flores and I have cousins raised there that are now in the US and Canada. Eric On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Annie Carvalho <[email protected] <>> wrote: Eric, I want to be sure I understand you. Are you saying this family you gave me information for is not my family? Because the names and dates fit, but my family did NOT go to Hawaii, though I'm in contact with a good friend in Hawaii whose husband is a Carvalho. And are you saying that Maria de Jesus de Freitas and Maria de Jose de Freitas are the same person because a different priest did the recording? Thank you for all the information. I really appreciate it. I figured out after a bit that the paternos and maternos were the grandparents. Do you live in Flores? Because my Tio Alfredo just passed away there a few years ago and I still have a cousin, Joaquina, who lives there with her husband whose last name is Felix. I'm not sure what became of the house that Tio Alfredo lived in, but it is the same house his parents lived in and I have both an old photo of the house waaaaay back when and then a new photo I took when I was in the Azores a few years ago. A photo of that house and of my grandfather and his family can be seen on my blog at this link: Our Precious Past <http://www.ourpreciouspast.blogspot.com/2015/02/jj-carvalho-short-biography.html> Again, thank you for the information. Annie On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 9:11 AM, luiznoia . <[email protected] <>> wrote: Annie, The Carvalho family I worked on came in 1911 to Hawaii, then settled in the Niles, Alameda, California The parish church for the freguisia of Bretanha in the concelho of Ponta Delgada, island of Sao Miguel is called Nossa Senhora de Ajuda, so the records read Ajuda de Bretanha. Nossa Senhora de Ajuda means Our Lady of Help ( or assistance). There is another freguisia in the neighboring concelho of Ribeira Grande called Fenais de Ajuda, so it's important to know which one to look in. Paternos- the father's parents, Materno-the mother's parents On differences in names in records- It's common that a persons baptism record, marriage (casamento), and death record (obito) are going to be written by different priests The way they record the names does tend to change. In the marriage record, she was recorded as Maria Jose de Freitas, yes, same person The baptism record shows the given name at birth, but the middle name used later is often the confirmation name. The surname can be the father's, mother's , any of the grandparents, or a combination of those, and maybe an alcunha (nickname) added. Eric Edgar On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected] <>> wrote: Repost for Annie Carvalho, anniesantiago13 at gmail.com <http://gmail.com/> (Note: Because these were multiple messages sent within minutes of each other, they were being flagged as spam. All responses are being placed into 1 message on the correct thread. Thank yous were deleted). Yes, Emma and her parents are full Azorian Portuguese. Their name was Tomas, and was changed to Thomas. They were from the island of Pico. Are you asking for dates for Emma and JJ Carvalho? ============== John, did your uncle own a gas station in Hanford? ============== Some of these names are very familiar. I will look at this closely today. ============== I was surprised the passport didn't have her birthdate on it. Did you see it? I knew she was born in Santa Cruz - that was a mistake on my part. Thanks for catching it. ============ Eric, that Carvalho family from San Jorge may be my ex-husband's family. I will contact him and let him know. ============ Is Bretanha, Ajuda a place? I thought it was a family surname. I found this name carved in the door at the Bishop's prison in St. Jean Pied de Port when I walked the Camino Santiago. I have a photo. I'll try to find it and post it. ============ Eric, When you say "paterno" I'm not sure who this is? ========== My grandmother is Maria de JESUS de Freitas, not Maria de Jose de Freitas. Is this the same person? Annie -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores <http://groups.google.com/group/Azores>. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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