David, This is all amazing information. Thanks a lot! You're related to wife as you can see in this relationship diagram from her to Florencia Rosa:
http://venturas.org/familytree/relationship.php?ged=venturas&pid1=I5&pid2=I152 This is all I know about her (and her children): http://venturas.org/familytree/family.php?famid=F60&ged=venturas In this case I think that Maria de Fraga Nunes is also Maria Coelho. Women didn't really have surnames at the time, and they basically had their parents surnames or a religious one. Such a lousy time for the CCA site to be offline.. João C. Ventura http://tombo.pt/en On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 00:38:58 UTC+2, Kawika322 wrote: > > Eric, > > I found the death record for Maria de Jesus - one of the other children of > Florencia. It states that Florencia was a native of Corvo. Top right, No. 12 > > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-O-1860-1870/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-O-1860-1870_item1/P83.html > > I have look through quite a few records and yet to find death record of > Florencia, however I looked for her baptismal record (in Corvo) and the > only thing I could find was this record: Left side, top record. > > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-B-1742-1779/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-B-1742-1779_item1/P121.html > > The mother is listed as Maria de Fraga Nunes, and in the other records of > Florencia's children, the mother of Florencia is listed as Maria Coelho, so > I am not sure if this is the right one. However, it seems from looking > through all the records, this is the only Florencia born on Corvo during > the appropriate time frame to a single mother, so it very well could be the > right one. > > If you could let me know what you think it would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > David > > On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 9:17:06 AM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Here's a Santa Cruz, Flores marriage record of a Monica : >> >> >> João Pimentel Canhoto [f.º de Manuel Pimentel Canhoto e de Inácia >> Rosa] c. 1816.08.12 c. Mónica Coelho [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das >> Flores, f.ª de pai incógnito e de Florência Rosa]. >> >> >> *If it's the same as in the baptism record, she'd be 20 yrs old* >> >> >> Here's Pedro Jose de Avelar's marriage record from Lajes das Flores: >> >> Pedro José de Avelar [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores, f.º de >> pai incógnito e de Florência Maria] c. 1813.02.18 c. Úrsula Joaquina [f.ª >> de pai incógnito e de Isabel Maria]. >> >> *If it was the same Pedro in the baptism record, he would be 20 years old* >> >> >> >> Here are marriage records of children of Florencia a single woman from >> Ponta Delgada, Flores >> >> Faustino José de Avelar [f.º de pai incógnito e de Florência, mulher >> solteira] c. 1813.10.31 c. Úrsula Maria [f.ª de Joaquim de Sousa e de >> Mariana de Jesus]. >> >> *I think this is the brother to Pedro Jose de Avelar* >> >> >> José Álvares [f.º de Manuel Álvares, j. d., e de Mariana de Jesus] c. >> 1813.11.25 c. Maria de Jesus [f.ª de pai incógnito e de Florência, mulher >> solteira]. >> >> >> >> >> Eric Edgar >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 8:38 AM, luiznoia . <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think that tracking down Florencia's baptism record , obit, or the >>> marriage record of either Pedro or Monica could provide some confirmation. >>> I tend to think it is the same mother. >>> >>> The 1792 to 1806 time frame would easily be in childbearing years. It is >>> also a time when many people left Corvo to settle in Flores. My ancestor , >>> Joao Antonio Vieira was born to a single mother in Corvo in 1789 >>> >>> and settled in Cedros by 1810. >>> >>> Slavery had been abolished in Continental Portugal in 1761, in Madeira >>> in 1775, and by 1800 was on the wane in the Azores, being banned in 1830. >>> >>> >>> The priest in the Claudia record of 1806, and the Monica record of 1796 >>> is Domingo Bernardo da Sylvera >>> >>> The priest in the Pedro record of 1792 is Antonio Lourenco Coelho >>> >>> Eric Edgar >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Theresa Entin <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Depending on how common the name Florencia appears in the records >>>> during that time frame of 13 years would determine to me if it was the >>>> same >>>> person. If it appears as a very uncommon name, then I would say they were >>>> the same person. >>>> >>>> Also, In order to make a good determination, I would check ten years >>>> prior to the birth of Pedro and 10 years after the birth of Claudia. >>>> >>>> Were you able to find the birth of Florencia, child of Maria in Corvo? >>>> If Maria was also a slave, that would help solving the puzzle. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Kawika322 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> There is a baptismal record I would like to have people's >>>> interpretation on. The record is for a Claudia born 7 Jul 1806 in Sao >>>> Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Flores. The mother is names Florencia, and I am >>>> trying to see if she may be the same Florencia who is the mother of my >>>> direct ancestor Pedro Jose Avellar who was born in 1793 in Ponta Delgada, >>>> Flores. I don't have any more info on Florencia such as a birth or death >>>> record, except that her mother's name is Maria Coelho from Corvo, which I >>>> got from the baptismal records of her children Pedro and Monica. >>>> >>>> If this is the same Florencia, her other children Pedro, and Monica, as >>>> well as a Faustino (whom I cannot find a birth record for) all had pai >>>> incognito fathers. >>>> >>>> This particular record may have additional information that could help >>>> me track down Florencia (if indeed it is the same woman). >>>> >>>> Any info or translation of what exactly the record says would be >>>> helpful. >>>> >>>> It is the record on the top right of the page: *Claudia*, no. 14: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813_item1/P209.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The links for the baptismal records for my direct ancestor Pedro Jose >>>> Avellar and his sister Monica Coelho (children of Florencia) are also >>>> below >>>> so that people can compare and see if they might be the same Florencia or >>>> not. >>>> >>>> *Pedro *(1793) : top right of page, no. 20: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813_item1/P146.html >>>> >>>> *Monica *(1796)*: *middle record, left side of page, no. 17 >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813_item1/P158.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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