p.s. Linda, can you tell if the doc says how old Manuel and Maria are? On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 9:59:07 PM UTC-5, linda wrote: > > > This link: > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P74.html > > brief info > > 9 June 1823, morning > no impediments > > Manoel Jose Machado filho de Antonio Machado ausente natural de Ilha de S. > Jorje e de Rosa Maria naturais e fregueses de... [parish church of N.S. de > Guadalupe where the groom was baptised...] > + Maria do Rosario filha legitima de Francisco Jose [Espinolha?] ja > defunto e de sua molher Maria do Rosario [natives and parishioners of the > parish of S. Matheus where the bride was baptised...] > > The record states that Manoel Jose Machado is the son of Antonio Machado, > absent/away, a native of Sao Jorge island and Rosa Maria native and > parishioner of N.S. de Guadalupe > > > > On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 3:05:33 PM UTC-7, Christian Day wrote: >> >> I had forgotten to put the link but I'm pretty sure it's the same person. >> Can you take a peek at this and see how Antonio is described? Maybe it's a >> godfather? >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P74.html >> >> As for the immigrant, I have actually collected him as well as two of his >> siblings. I haven't seen reference to any others yet but I've been looking. >> As for marriages, I have my immigrant's marriage and believe the marriage >> of one of his brothers happened here in the U.S. though I haven't been able >> to find it and the last one I've had difficulty finding much about at all. >> However, Manuel Machado is a few back from my immigrant and all of the >> others have been carefully pieced together and interconnect through a lot >> of cross-referencing. My immigrant Joao definitely comes from Jacintho who >> definitely comes from Francisco who very likely comes from Manuel but the >> omission of "legitimate" is very telling so I think either he was adopted >> or there something in the translation of his birth certificate so I am >> going to keep searching for that baptism now that I know where to look. >> Since this mysterious Antonio was from San Jorge and and Manuel's mother >> Roza Maria is from Guadalupe, I'm going to search Guadalupe next. >> >> If these people were illiterate, that may explain why things are omitted >> and added but until I can translate the doc above, I won't really know what >> the context of Antonio is. It could be a godfather he took his name from >> but until I locate his baptism, I won't know. >> >> Of course in another part of the tree, the Pastorinho we were discussing, >> he and his wife's father are both pai incognito. Fun! >> >> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Something tells me this isn't right. He wouldn't name his father when he >>> was a groom, and then when his baby was being baptized, he suddenly said >>> his dad was a pai incognito. >>> >>> New homework assignment for you. No more researching back in time. Go >>> back to your immigrant and find all his siblings as well as the siblings' >>> marriages. Then go back a generation and collect all the siblings of that >>> generation as well as the marriages of those siblings. Make sure you note >>> the godparents too. Once you start to get a complete picture of each >>> generation, things will start to come into focus. >>> >>> One more thing...quit following the leaves on that tree on Ancestry. Do >>> your own research then compare it at the end. >>> >>> This list has 1600 people and many are willing to help you "read" the >>> records. As you collect siblings though, you will see your "reading" skills >>> strengthen and it will become easier. >>> Cheri >>> >>
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