Makes sense. Thank you. On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 1:20:26 AM UTC-5, linda wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > At this distance in time, there's no way of knowing why information was > stated one way over another. I believe there were many contributing > reasons including the priests' different personalities, their attention to > detail-- or adherence to bureaucratic rules-- and the level of their > personal knowledge of the families involved in the records. Human error > certainly played a large role in the discrepancies we see in the records, > and I imagine so do inconsistencies in the information provided by the > informants. All you can do is collect as much data as you can and see > where it leads you best. > > good luck! > > Linda > > On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 9:37:07 PM UTC-7, Christian Day wrote: >> >> Linda, >> >> Since both Manuel's mother and Maria do Rosario's parents match the >> baptismal records of their son Francisco, I'm so sure this is them. Can you >> think of a reason why they would list Manuel's father as "Pai Incognito" >> when he knows who it is? Google translate lists asuente as "absent" like >> you say. Would there be a reason they would shift from "absent" to >> "unknown?" I know Cheri mentioned that the family may not have liked him. >> Could that have taken effect by the time Manuel and Maria's son Francisco >> was born? This has to be the same Manuel and Maria that's in my line. I >> just know it. >> >> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 9:59:07 PM UTC-5, linda wrote: >>> >>> >>> This link: >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P74.html >>> >>> brief info >>> >>> 9 June 1823, morning >>> no impediments >>> >>> Manoel Jose Machado filho de Antonio Machado ausente natural de Ilha de >>> S. Jorje e de Rosa Maria naturais e fregueses de... [parish church of N.S. >>> de Guadalupe where the groom was baptised...] >>> + Maria do Rosario filha legitima de Francisco Jose [Espinolha?] ja >>> defunto e de sua molher Maria do Rosario [natives and parishioners of the >>> parish of S. Matheus where the bride was baptised...] >>> >>> The record states that Manoel Jose Machado is the son of Antonio >>> Machado, absent/away, a native of Sao Jorge island and Rosa Maria native >>> and parishioner of N.S. de Guadalupe >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 3:05:33 PM UTC-7, Christian Day wrote: >>>> >>>> I had forgotten to put the link but I'm pretty sure it's the same >>>> person. Can you take a peek at this and see how Antonio is described? >>>> Maybe >>>> it's a godfather? >>>> >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P74.html >>>> >>>> As for the immigrant, I have actually collected him as well as two of >>>> his siblings. I haven't seen reference to any others yet but I've been >>>> looking. As for marriages, I have my immigrant's marriage and believe the >>>> marriage of one of his brothers happened here in the U.S. though I haven't >>>> been able to find it and the last one I've had difficulty finding much >>>> about at all. However, Manuel Machado is a few back from my immigrant and >>>> all of the others have been carefully pieced together and interconnect >>>> through a lot of cross-referencing. My immigrant Joao definitely comes >>>> from >>>> Jacintho who definitely comes from Francisco who very likely comes from >>>> Manuel but the omission of "legitimate" is very telling so I think either >>>> he was adopted or there something in the translation of his birth >>>> certificate so I am going to keep searching for that baptism now that I >>>> know where to look. Since this mysterious Antonio was from San Jorge and >>>> and Manuel's mother Roza Maria is from Guadalupe, I'm going to search >>>> Guadalupe next. >>>> >>>> If these people were illiterate, that may explain why things are >>>> omitted and added but until I can translate the doc above, I won't really >>>> know what the context of Antonio is. It could be a godfather he took his >>>> name from but until I locate his baptism, I won't know. >>>> >>>> Of course in another part of the tree, the Pastorinho we were >>>> discussing, he and his wife's father are both pai incognito. Fun! >>>> >>>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Something tells me this isn't right. He wouldn't name his father when >>>>> he was a groom, and then when his baby was being baptized, he suddenly >>>>> said >>>>> his dad was a pai incognito. >>>>> >>>>> New homework assignment for you. No more researching back in time. Go >>>>> back to your immigrant and find all his siblings as well as the siblings' >>>>> marriages. Then go back a generation and collect all the siblings of that >>>>> generation as well as the marriages of those siblings. Make sure you note >>>>> the godparents too. Once you start to get a complete picture of each >>>>> generation, things will start to come into focus. >>>>> >>>>> One more thing...quit following the leaves on that tree on Ancestry. >>>>> Do your own research then compare it at the end. >>>>> >>>>> This list has 1600 people and many are willing to help you "read" the >>>>> records. As you collect siblings though, you will see your "reading" >>>>> skills >>>>> strengthen and it will become easier. >>>>> Cheri >>>>> >>>>
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