Di, Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years?
Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. > > The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what > they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the > rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend > with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his > citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. > > Try these: > "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee > Neagles. > > "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John > J. Newman. > > "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina > K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). > > I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. > > Cheri > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to >> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >> >> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American >> Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American citizen, >> naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting you're looking >> in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his parents and >> grandparents history. >> >> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in >> Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. >> >> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the specifics >> i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in >>> contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for >>> them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy lectures >>> too. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! >>>> >>>> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never lived >>>> in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died there, and spent >>>> his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US >>>> citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my >>>> grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East >>>> Cambridge, MA. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>> >>>>> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your posts >>>>> & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and the >>>>> commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation to >>>>> Cheri >>>>> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. >>>>> >>>>> Here's what I'm trying to figure out: >>>>> >>>>> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in Ponta >>>>> Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I have a document >>>>> from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An American Citizen" >>>>> about him. So we know at some point, he was granted citizenship, even >>>>> though he never took advantage of it. >>>>> >>>>> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship was >>>>> for him and his children. So his five children were born with Portuguese >>>>> AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers emigrated >>>>> without >>>>> having to be naturalized. >>>>> >>>>> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is >>>>> listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his home >>>>> address and the notation *'through father's papers'*). >>>>> >>>>> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my great-grandfather >>>>> was granted the US citizenship. I've called the Consulate (they told me >>>>> they don't keep the paperwork after 20 years). Recently while on a visit >>>>> to Washington, I went to the National Archives, where the archivists told >>>>> me they'd never heard anything like it -- and in fact, doubted my story >>>>> until I showed them the paperwork. The other route I'm going to try, at >>>>> their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but that could take years, ha. >>>>> >>>>> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of >>>>> anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to track it down? >>>>> >>>>> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all >>>>> tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed! >>>>> >>>>> all the best, >>>>> di >>>>> Diane Rezendes >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Margaret M Vicente >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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