I've got to go,but took a quick look...."W" is not used in the Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home.
Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Cheri. > > Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get > it for you later on... > from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much > of it is helpful...): > > *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the > Azores* > > - DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death September > (10?), 1977. > - immigrated via Port of Boston. > - Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in > Somerville, MA > - In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, > Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at > the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) > - He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the > passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. > - The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - his > wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is useful). > > > I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US > citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people > at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps > not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as > 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). > > *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we > know)* > > - born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. > - Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the > Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. > - His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). > - (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). > - I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see > if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his > whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! > > I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... > thanks! > di > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Di, >> >> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival >> record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It >> might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the >> Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about >> citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >>> >>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what >>> they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the >>> rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend >>> with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his >>> citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. >>> >>> Try these: >>> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee >>> Neagles. >>> >>> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John >>> J. Newman. >>> >>> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina >>> K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). >>> >>> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >>> >>> Cheri >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >>>> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to >>>> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >>>> >>>> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American >>>> Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American >>>> citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting you're >>>> looking in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his parents >>>> and grandparents history. >>>> >>>> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in >>>> Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. >>>> >>>> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the specifics >>>> i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in >>>>> contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for >>>>> them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy >>>>> lectures >>>>> too. >>>>> >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! >>>>>> >>>>>> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never >>>>>> lived in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died there, >>>>>> and >>>>>> spent his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US >>>>>> citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my >>>>>> grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East >>>>>> Cambridge, MA. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your >>>>>>> posts & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation to >>>>>>> Cheri >>>>>>> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's what I'm trying to figure out: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in >>>>>>> Ponta Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I have a >>>>>>> document from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An >>>>>>> American >>>>>>> Citizen" about him. So we know at some point, he was granted >>>>>>> citizenship, >>>>>>> even though he never took advantage of it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship was >>>>>>> for him and his children. So his five children were born with >>>>>>> Portuguese >>>>>>> AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers emigrated >>>>>>> without >>>>>>> having to be naturalized. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is >>>>>>> listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his >>>>>>> home >>>>>>> address and the notation *'through father's papers'*). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my >>>>>>> great-grandfather was granted the US citizenship. I've called the >>>>>>> Consulate (they told me they don't keep the paperwork after 20 years). >>>>>>> Recently while on a visit to Washington, I went to the National >>>>>>> Archives, >>>>>>> where the archivists told me they'd never heard anything like it -- and >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> fact, doubted my story until I showed them the paperwork. The other >>>>>>> route >>>>>>> I'm going to try, at their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but that >>>>>>> could take years, ha. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of >>>>>>> anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to track it >>>>>>> down? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all >>>>>>> tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> all the best, >>>>>>> di >>>>>>> Diane Rezendes >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/to >> pic/azores/4bSAJP879Kw/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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