Thanks Margaret. The first basic Portuguese grammar book that I bought stated there was no W, so that's why I was thinking ?????. And Di thinks the name is of Russian origin.
Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Margaret Vicente < [email protected]> wrote: > Cheri, > > It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" isn't >> used in Portuguese. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Diane, >>> >>> Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de >>> Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. >>> >>> He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel >>> Furtado do Couto. >>> >>> His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married >>> in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. >>> >>> I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of >>> the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Cousin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I've got to go,but took a quick look...."W" is not used in the >>>> Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need >>>> his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Cheri. >>>>> >>>>> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to >>>>> get it for you later on... >>>>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how >>>>> much of it is helpful...): >>>>> >>>>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the >>>>> Azores* >>>>> >>>>> - DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>>>> September (10?), 1977. >>>>> - immigrated via Port of Boston. >>>>> - Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling >>>>> in Somerville, MA >>>>> - In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>>>> Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married >>>>> at >>>>> the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>>>> - He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have >>>>> the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>>>> - The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >>>>> his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>>>> useful). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >>>>> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >>>>> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >>>>> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >>>>> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >>>>> >>>>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >>>>> know)* >>>>> >>>>> - born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >>>>> - Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >>>>> Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>>>> - His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>>>> - (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>>>> - I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to >>>>> see if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived >>>>> there >>>>> his whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or >>>>> not! >>>>> >>>>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >>>>> thanks! >>>>> di >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Di, >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American >>>>>> arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on >>>>>> Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant >>>>>> ancestor >>>>>> LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses >>>>>> say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know >>>>>>> what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know >>>>>>> that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I >>>>>>> helped a >>>>>>> friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, >>>>>>> obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed >>>>>>> earlier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Try these: >>>>>>> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile >>>>>>> Lee Neagles. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by >>>>>>> John J. Newman. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by >>>>>>> Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your >>>>>>> public >>>>>>> library). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >>>>>>>> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American >>>>>>>> Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American >>>>>>>> citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting >>>>>>>> you're >>>>>>>> looking in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his >>>>>>>> parents >>>>>>>> and grandparents history. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession >>>>>>>> in Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao >>>>>>>> Miguel. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the >>>>>>>> specifics i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you >>>>>>>>> in contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has >>>>>>>>> worked for >>>>>>>>> them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy >>>>>>>>> lectures >>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never >>>>>>>>>> lived in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died >>>>>>>>>> there, and >>>>>>>>>> spent his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted >>>>>>>>>> US >>>>>>>>>> citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my >>>>>>>>>> grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East >>>>>>>>>> Cambridge, MA. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your >>>>>>>>>>> posts & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here >>>>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>>>> commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation >>>>>>>>>>> to Cheri >>>>>>>>>>> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's what I'm trying to figure out: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in >>>>>>>>>>> Ponta Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I >>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>> document from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An >>>>>>>>>>> American >>>>>>>>>>> Citizen" about him. So we know at some point, he was granted >>>>>>>>>>> citizenship, >>>>>>>>>>> even though he never took advantage of it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship >>>>>>>>>>> was for him and his children. So his five children were born with >>>>>>>>>>> Portuguese AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers >>>>>>>>>>> emigrated without having to be naturalized. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he >>>>>>>>>>> is listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it >>>>>>>>>>> lists his >>>>>>>>>>> home address and the notation *'through father's papers'*). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my >>>>>>>>>>> great-grandfather was granted the US citizenship. I've called the >>>>>>>>>>> Consulate (they told me they don't keep the paperwork after 20 >>>>>>>>>>> years). >>>>>>>>>>> Recently while on a visit to Washington, I went to the National >>>>>>>>>>> Archives, >>>>>>>>>>> where the archivists told me they'd never heard anything like it -- >>>>>>>>>>> and in >>>>>>>>>>> fact, doubted my story until I showed them the paperwork. The >>>>>>>>>>> other route >>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to try, at their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> could take years, ha. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard >>>>>>>>>>> of anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to track >>>>>>>>>>> it down? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all >>>>>>>>>>> tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> all the best, >>>>>>>>>>> di >>>>>>>>>>> Diane Rezendes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>> the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/to >>>>>> pic/azores/4bSAJP879Kw/unsubscribe. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Margaret M Vicente >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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