Cheri, It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" isn't > used in Portuguese. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Diane, >> >> Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de >> Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. >> >> He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel >> Furtado do Couto. >> >> His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married in >> Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. >> >> I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of >> the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Cousin >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I've got to go,but took a quick look...."W" is not used in the >>> Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need >>> his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Cheri. >>>> >>>> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to >>>> get it for you later on... >>>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how >>>> much of it is helpful...): >>>> >>>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the >>>> Azores* >>>> >>>> - DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>>> September (10?), 1977. >>>> - immigrated via Port of Boston. >>>> - Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >>>> Somerville, MA >>>> - In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>>> Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married >>>> at >>>> the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>>> - He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have >>>> the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>>> - The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >>>> his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>>> useful). >>>> >>>> >>>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >>>> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >>>> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >>>> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >>>> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >>>> >>>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >>>> know)* >>>> >>>> - born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >>>> - Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >>>> Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>>> - His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>>> - (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>>> - I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to >>>> see if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived >>>> there >>>> his whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or >>>> not! >>>> >>>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >>>> thanks! >>>> di >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Di, >>>>> >>>>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American >>>>> arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on >>>>> Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor >>>>> LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses >>>>> say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >>>>> >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >>>>>> >>>>>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know >>>>>> what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know >>>>>> that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I >>>>>> helped a >>>>>> friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, >>>>>> obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed >>>>>> earlier. >>>>>> >>>>>> Try these: >>>>>> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile >>>>>> Lee Neagles. >>>>>> >>>>>> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by >>>>>> John J. Newman. >>>>>> >>>>>> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by >>>>>> Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your >>>>>> public >>>>>> library). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >>>>>>> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American >>>>>>> Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American >>>>>>> citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting >>>>>>> you're >>>>>>> looking in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his >>>>>>> parents >>>>>>> and grandparents history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in >>>>>>> Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the >>>>>>> specifics i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you >>>>>>>> in contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has >>>>>>>> worked for >>>>>>>> them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy >>>>>>>> lectures >>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never >>>>>>>>> lived in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died >>>>>>>>> there, and >>>>>>>>> spent his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US >>>>>>>>> citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my >>>>>>>>> grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East >>>>>>>>> Cambridge, MA. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your >>>>>>>>>> posts & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here >>>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>>> commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation >>>>>>>>>> to Cheri >>>>>>>>>> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's what I'm trying to figure out: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in >>>>>>>>>> Ponta Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I >>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>> document from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An >>>>>>>>>> American >>>>>>>>>> Citizen" about him. So we know at some point, he was granted >>>>>>>>>> citizenship, >>>>>>>>>> even though he never took advantage of it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship >>>>>>>>>> was for him and his children. So his five children were born with >>>>>>>>>> Portuguese AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers >>>>>>>>>> emigrated without having to be naturalized. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is >>>>>>>>>> listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists >>>>>>>>>> his home >>>>>>>>>> address and the notation *'through father's papers'*). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my >>>>>>>>>> great-grandfather was granted the US citizenship. I've called the >>>>>>>>>> Consulate (they told me they don't keep the paperwork after 20 >>>>>>>>>> years). >>>>>>>>>> Recently while on a visit to Washington, I went to the National >>>>>>>>>> Archives, >>>>>>>>>> where the archivists told me they'd never heard anything like it -- >>>>>>>>>> and in >>>>>>>>>> fact, doubted my story until I showed them the paperwork. The other >>>>>>>>>> route >>>>>>>>>> I'm going to try, at their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> could take years, ha. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of >>>>>>>>>> anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to track it >>>>>>>>>> down? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all >>>>>>>>>> tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> all the best, >>>>>>>>>> di >>>>>>>>>> Diane Rezendes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/to >>>>> pic/azores/4bSAJP879Kw/unsubscribe. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Margaret M Vicente >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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