Thank you Margaret. I have had a lot of experience with genealogy but with Portuguese Family History I am a complete amateur,
Thank you so much. Rob Whaite On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 6:46 AM Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> wrote: > It is written Osiana. How do I see Eugenia? How do you pronounce the > word “ASIA” If you sound it off correctly it sounds like the letter “ J ” > not the S sound. Now take this and pronounce Ojina, what do you get? > > Cheri, I didn’t do anything different than anyone else researching for > information. And, no I didn’t have the couple in my database. I also knew > it was like trying to find a needle in a hay stack. I suppose I was lucky > to have found that needle. I should say Rob is the lucky one. I found the > couple within a day or two of Rob’s first email but his estimated dates > were not matching my findings, neither was his story, so I dismissed it and > kept an eye out for other same name couples during my other research. I > also continued work on this particular couple gathering as much info as I > could about parents, grandparents, children etc. and saw that there were > too many coincidences matching up to his story but the timing was still > off. Now that Rob provided a solid piece of evidence plus another > solidifying piece of his cousin’s marriage certificate, I knew the > research paid off and that it could be passed on to Rob. > > Margaret V. > > PS: one important part of the research was the couples children’s > godparents who led me to connecting the dots in between the two Australian > marriages. > > > > *From: *Cheri Mello <[email protected]> > *Sent: *January 3, 2020 2:21 PM > *To: *Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names. > > > > Orsiana (sp?) is Eugenia? OK, I really don't understand Australian > accents. So was it something you had in your database? How did you figure > it out? Many on this list want to learn how to do it themselves. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:00 AM Margaret Vicente < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Rob, > > I have sent you some information privately and I can now confirm that I > have your information and that Anthony Thomas is first cousins of Joao do > Couto. Their mothers are sisters whose 2nd names is Eugenia. Maria > Eugenia and Claudina Eugenia. > > Margaret Vicente > > > > *From: *Rob Whaite <[email protected]> > *Sent: *January 3, 2020 1:28 PM > *To: *[email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names. > > > > Hi > > > > I also discovered that the witness Elizabeth,(Ink is a bit blotchy) of the > first marriage is the bride of the second. > > > > Bit hard to read but definitely the same signature. > > > > So,there is a definite relationship here, or very good friends,one or the > other. > > > > Rob > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Rob Whaite <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Nancy I shall be in touch > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Nancy Couto <[email protected]> wrote: > > Note that Marianno Borges was a witness for both weddings. That, along > with the fact that Osiana (or Asiana) appears to be an uncommon name, > suggests that the two grooms might be related. At any rate, it’s a good > guess. > > > > I searched for information on the Osiana or Asiana surname and learned > that the name is popular in the Philippines but is also known in Mexico and > Uraguay and I’m sure other places as well. > > > > Rob, I’m a Couto and I have a very distant Ancestry DNA match with someone > named Whaite—not you, though, and I think my match is from California. I’m > interested in how your search plays out. Good luck! > > > > Nancy > > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana? > Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an > "ana" sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea. > > > > I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document to > indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they > aren't. To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > > > I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are > referring to. The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in > the church, they went together to record the marriages officially. Yes, I > believe the grooms were likely cousins. Both mothers are reported to use > Osiana... their first names are Mary and Claudina. One spelling looked > like Asiana. I also didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar. > > > > Does anyone have name ideas? I suspect the grooms are doing the best > they can. Both used a mark to sign. > > > > If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records. > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Cheri > > > > I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates. > > It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the State > of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the same > place(suspicious)? > > > > Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe > the two individuals getting married are cousins? > > > > In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of this > surname? > > > > Be very interested to know. > > > > Best Regards > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/b7bde4cb-4a96-479d-87f9-c649a8f47802%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/b7bde4cb-4a96-479d-87f9-c649a8f47802%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050vU%2B4Jc9ewov5e6TVqcxJpWut4Nof8QMsLYRt0oiOt5eA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050vU%2B4Jc9ewov5e6TVqcxJpWut4Nof8QMsLYRt0oiOt5eA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GtfeDA8WOxv2HFNPs_JF5W1ErPjR1SDNX%2BMZq%2B11wFhQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GtfeDA8WOxv2HFNPs_JF5W1ErPjR1SDNX%2BMZq%2B11wFhQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/EFF5AC7C-BB99-40B8-8DAC-2E48358ADA0F%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/EFF5AC7C-BB99-40B8-8DAC-2E48358ADA0F%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAEGUQY_UgBO78o4ckYr3F2e3Ceo5V3C5f33n320%2BUC0rpn23cg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAEGUQY_UgBO78o4ckYr3F2e3Ceo5V3C5f33n320%2BUC0rpn23cg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5e0f8f51.1c69fb81.71ed4.1fce%40mx.google.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5e0f8f51.1c69fb81.71ed4.1fce%40mx.google.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_G-RpN24_Ap_O%3D0Wp0Tb_-FZ%2BSDRT%3DZpcB6ai8ms%3DqVuA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_G-RpN24_Ap_O%3D0Wp0Tb_-FZ%2BSDRT%3DZpcB6ai8ms%3DqVuA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5e10f2a6.1c69fb81.25e3e.98d9%40mx.google.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5e10f2a6.1c69fb81.25e3e.98d9%40mx.google.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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