de = of o (masculine) = the a (feminine) = the "of the" is a contraction in Portuguese. da = of the (feminine) do = of the (masculine)
But if using a contraction of da or do and the next word is a vowel, the "a" or "o" was dropped and it was written as d'. d'Avila is an example. These were supposed to be the grammar rules there. And as we know, not everyone writes proper grammar. And these are documents from immigrants to Australia and I don't speak with an Australian accent, so I'm not sure what their ears are hearing. I can figure out New England (Parhk the cahr), New York (Quwahfee, fowark), and some others, but I don't have experience with Australia. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:41 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < [email protected]> wrote: > Good point, Cheri. I also started looking at name ideas. Thinking also > the da prefix. da Silva, etc. did the ever use do? That would give an o > sound. do Sienna. Rob, you have your work cut out for you. > > Debbie > > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:35 AM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana? >> Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an >> "ana" sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea. >> >> I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document >> to indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they >> aren't. To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men. >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are >>> referring to. The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in >>> the church, they went together to record the marriages officially. Yes, I >>> believe the grooms were likely cousins. Both mothers are reported to use >>> Osiana... their first names are Mary and Claudina. One spelling looked >>> like Asiana. I also didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar. >>> >>> Does anyone have name ideas? I suspect the grooms are doing the best >>> they can. Both used a mark to sign. >>> >>> If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth >>> records. >>> >>> Debbie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Cheri >>>> >>>> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates. >>>> It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the >>>> State of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the >>>> same place(suspicious)? >>>> >>>> Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe >>>> the two individuals getting married are cousins? >>>> >>>> In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of >>>> this surname? >>>> >>>> Be very interested to know. >>>> >>>> Best Regards >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/b7bde4cb-4a96-479d-87f9-c649a8f47802%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/b7bde4cb-4a96-479d-87f9-c649a8f47802%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050vU%2B4Jc9ewov5e6TVqcxJpWut4Nof8QMsLYRt0oiOt5eA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050vU%2B4Jc9ewov5e6TVqcxJpWut4Nof8QMsLYRt0oiOt5eA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GtfeDA8WOxv2HFNPs_JF5W1ErPjR1SDNX%2BMZq%2B11wFhQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GtfeDA8WOxv2HFNPs_JF5W1ErPjR1SDNX%2BMZq%2B11wFhQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050vBUKdY%2Bf8JoyTz8SbUpgSShu275RVrTknB-c1B2znrZw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050vBUKdY%2Bf8JoyTz8SbUpgSShu275RVrTknB-c1B2znrZw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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