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Also, it's one of the four planks of green politics. Ten planks of the Green Party of the United States. Politically Social justice is based on the concepts of human rights and equality and may involve a greater degree of economic egalitarianism through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution. These policies aim to achieve what developmental economists refer to as more equality of opportunity than may currently exist in some societies, and to manufacture equality of outcome in cases where incidental inequalities appear in a procedurally just system. Income redistribution? Property redistribution? Equality of outcome? Some will like the sound of social justice, but not those thre things. Many authors criticize the idea that there exists an objective standard of social justice. Moral relativists deny that there is any kind of objective standard for justice in general. Non-cognitivists, moral skeptics, moral nihilists, and most logical positivists deny the epistemic possibility of objective notions of justice. Cynics (such as Niccolò Machiavelli) believe that any ideal of social justice is ultimately a mere justification for the status quo. Supporters of social darwinism believe that social justice assists the least fit to reproduce, sometimes labeled as dysgenics, and hence should be opposed. [15] Many other people accept some of the basic principles of social justice, such as the idea that all human beings have a basic level of value, but disagree with the elaborate conclusions that may or may not follow from this. One example is the statement by H. G. Wells that all people are "equally entitled to the respect of their fellow-men."[cite this quote] On the other hand, some scholars reject the very idea of social justice as meaningless, religious, self-contradictory, and ideological, believing that to realize any degree of social justice is unfeasible, and that the attempt to do so must destroy all liberty. The most complete rejection of the concept of social justice comes from Friedrich Hayek of the Austrian School of economics: “ There can be no test by which we can discover what is 'socially unjust' because there is no subject by which such an injustice can be committed, and there are no rules of individual conduct the observance of which in the market order would secure to the individuals and groups the position which as such (as distinguished from the procedure by which it is determined) would appear just to us. [Social justice] does not belong to the category of error but to that of nonsense, like the term `a moral stone'.[16] ” Hayek is here referring implicitly to the Aristotelian concept of commutative justice, the justice of interchanges among individuals associating with one another, a concept at loggerheads with the concept of social justice which unknowingly goes back to Aristotle's concept of distributive justice. Both of these concepts are set out in Book V of the Nicomachean Ethics. Rawls and the entire liberal and Marxist left understand justice only as a kind of distribution of social goods such as equality, freedom, property, income, social status, which then has to be instituted in some way.[17] Such distribution concerns what people actually have, whereas commutative justice concerns what potentially can be gained through free, mutually beneficial interchanges among each other - without guarantees that everyone will win. There is thus utter confusion in today's discourse on equality in relation to so-called social justice. As the Australian phenomenologist, Michael Eldred, notes, "Hence two entirely different conceptions of equality clash irreconcilably. Irreconcilably, because they are on different ontological planes: one the plane of power, potential, potency, ability, and the other on the plane of actuality of the material goods people actually have, the distinction between potential and actuality deriving from the ontological structure of movement itself."[18] Sociologist Carl L. Bankston has argued that a secular, leftist view of social justice entails viewing the redistribution of goods and resources as based on the rights of disadvantaged categories of people, rather than on compassion or national interest. Bankston maintains that this secular version of social justice became widely accepted due to the rise of demand-side economics and to the moral influence of the civil rights movement.[19] Note all of the criticisms above were before Beck, but he repopularized the discussion. He also is an avid reader of the writings of Frederich Hayek. Sales of The Road To Serfdom are up thanks to him. ________________________________ From: Matt Haase <[email protected]> To: Baha'i Studies <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 2:31:50 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Religion The Baha'i Studies Listserv It wasn't a politically loaded word until Glenn Beck used the phrase to imply everything evil known to man, about a year ago. On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Stephen Gray <[email protected]> wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv >Why did the UHJ use the term social justice? The word is politically loaded. >Even though everyone is okay with a society based on justice. The term has >political meanings rather than that. > > > > ________________________________ From: Susan Maneck <[email protected]> >To: Baha'i Studies <[email protected]> >Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 10:24:22 AM > >Subject: Re: The Future of Religion > > >The Baha'i Studies Listserv >It might be useful to review the One Common Faith document in this connection: > >http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/bic/OCF/ > >__________________________________________________ >You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] >Unsubscribe: send a blank email to >mailto:leave-535645-1719008.2a3842ae5b2f7d34dd5fdfc724616...@list.jccc.edu > > >Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [email protected] >Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st >Baha'i Studies is available through the following: >Mail - mailto:[email protected] >Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st >News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st >Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________ You are subscribed to >Baha'i >Studies as: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to >mailto:leave-535693-953325.e9a9b042dd227e4657deb0ff0d384...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > [email protected] >Or subscribe: >http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st >Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - >mailto:[email protected] Web - >http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - >news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] New Public - >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-535722-1719008.2a3842ae5b2f7d34dd5fdfc724616...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [email protected] Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[email protected] Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-535738-1719008.2a3842ae5b2f7d34dd5fdfc724616...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [email protected] Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[email protected] Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-535741-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [email protected] Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[email protected] Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
