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On 10/27/10, Susan Maneck <[email protected]> wrote:
>> There is difference between means and ends. For example, there are so
>> called
>> social justice passages in the Bible. They refer to religion permeating a
>> society so much that people's charity would be enough to alleviate
>> poverty.
>> Jesus and the prophets talks to ordinary people to give to charity not
>> the
>> gov'ts. Judeo-Christian-Islamic justice implies widespread charity in a
>> society,
>> tithing (10% JC or 2.5-20% I), and voluntary offerings.
>
> Dear Stephen,
>
> I would say this is true in regards to Jesus who was not terribly
> concerned with how governments functioned. According to Acts of the
> Apostles, however, in the early church Christians shared all things in
> common, which goes far beyond charity. In any case, the prophets
> condemned the government and the priesthood for poverty, not people's
> lack of charity. . hey  prohibited practices like usury that led to
> such poverty in the strongest terms.Taxations aimed primarily at the
> peasant farmer were condemned as well. Our own bankruptcy laws in this
> country are based on biblical principles although  recent laws have
> eroded these
>
> Now, in regards to charging interest Baha'u'llah does annul the
> Biblical and Qur'anic prohibitions and states that a reasonable amount
> of interest may be charged (with the House of Justice deciding what is
> reasonable.) Usury or exorbitant interest  charged to the poor is
> still condemned. While the Huqullah is entirely voluntary and cannot
> be coerced, Abdu'l-Baha also spoke of a graduated income tax. I don't
> get the impression that this is voluntary.
>
> At the same time Abdu'l-Baha insist that complete economic equality is
> neither possible or desirable. He recognized that people need
> incentives.
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alms
>>
>> In Judiasm, Tzedekah means both charity and justice (as well as fairness
>> and
>> righteousness).
>
> Which certainly suggest that justice must include carrying for the poor.
>
>> Who's to say an increase in the job market, more self-employment, more
>> independent contractors, more investors, more business owners isn't the
>> solution?
>
> I'm sure it is part of the solution. One of the reasons industrial
> capitalism was never as exploitive in the US as it was in England or
> Europe is because during the time of the Industrial Revolution
> American workers  always had an alternative which  their European
> counterparts did not posses. The ready availability of land meant they
> could always had the alternative to be self-employed (as farmers)
> rather than work for the big corporations. Unfortunately that is no
> longer an option for most people. Unbridled capitalism today  tends to
> favor the big multi-nationals, not small business and self-employment.
> Also, without affordable health care self-employment is not really an
> option for most people.
>
>>
>> Really, the issue requires us to reflect on how wealth is created.
>
> Contrary to common opinion Adam Smith never saw a 'social welfare'
> state as incompatible with the 'invisible hand' of the free market.
> His protest in the *The Wealth of Nations* was a condemnation of
> mercantilism, which had led to colonialism. If you read his earlier
> work  *The Theory of Moral Sentiments.*
>
> Adam Smith vigorously defended such public services as free education
> and poverty relief,
> calling for  greater freedom for the those  who receives support from
> the state, unlike the
> punitive Poor Laws which existed at the time. He also acknowledged the
> importance of interventions on behalf of the poor and the underdogs of
> society that might result from a free market system He stated the
> following principle:.  "When the regulation, therefore, is in favour
> of the workmen, it is always just and equitable; but it is sometimes
> otherwise when in favour of the masters."
>
> Adam Smith, like Abdu'l-Baha supported both the profit motive and
> social values which transcended it. Both believed these values should
> be expressed, not merely in acts of charity but in the policies of the
> state.
>
>
> warmest, Susan
>

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