One approach would be to bisect your profile. Basically, you are performing a binary search, tossing roughly half of your profile (save a backup), starting J, and repeating based on whether the problem occurs.
Unless your profile is huge, you probably won't need many attempts to narrow things down. -- Raul On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 5:15 AM 'Michael Day' via Beta <[email protected]> wrote: > > OK - the Beta thread must be the right one - this problem has arisen for > me (only me?) on > upgrading from J904 beta-c to beta-d. > > Sorry to Raul and Bill - I've just realised yesterday's rushed message > was private; Bill wouldn't > have seen it. > > Re Raul's comments (below): Windows permissions are a pain. I'd > always assumed the ctrl-alt-del > method of summoning Task Manager would bestow admin privs. Anyway, > reopening it (TM), forcing > these privileges resulted in the same dialog box, failing to > terminate. I discovered the "killtask" > command, to be used in a cmd window. There's no trouble closing an > instance of JQt at level 903, > presumably because it's still running; however, J904 processes (qt or > console) can't be terminated, > even with admin privileges; it appears that if they're already > "suspended", nothing further can be > done, bar rebooting. As their memory is displayed as 32k, I might as > well live with them staying there! > > Re Bill's suggestion: > > Can you try start J with an empty profile? eg > > jconsole.exe -jprofile > jqt -jprofile > > Both work! The sessions aren't usable as all the startup stuff is > missing, and it's a long long time since > I used native J as it was meant to be! > > How can I test what is wrong, perhaps in my personal set-up? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > On 21/05/2022 14:45, Mike Day wrote: > > Apologies for wrong thread! > > > > V busy with a concert today, so thanks to you & Bill, but I’ll > > follow up yr ideas tomorrow > > Cheers, > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 21 May 2022, at 05:08, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> (switching to general forum, which is hopefully the correct forum for > >> this kind of content... (also resending -- I thought I sent this > >> earlier but now it looks like it was not sent.)) > >> > >> If you are getting the message "Unable to terminate process - The > >> operation could not be completed. Access is denied" from task manager > >> or process explorer, likely you need administrative privileges to > >> terminate that process. > >> > >> If you are using process explorer, you can ask it to restart itself > >> with administrative privileges by selecting the menu option: File > > >> Show Details for All Processes. > >> > >> (But, I have not yet tried windows 11. I'm sort of waiting for things > >> to settle down a bit more, before I try it.) > >> > >> I hope this helps, > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Raul > >> > >> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 5:05 PM 'Michael Day' via Programming > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Thanks. The upgrade was easy, but the result is unfortunate, at > >>> least on this laptop running Windows 11. > >>> > >>> Attempting to open any of Jqt, JHS, Jconsole does establish a new > >>> instance of > >>> jqt.exe or jconsole.exe, according to the details display of Task > >>> Manager, but it > >>> immediately shows its status as "suspended." > >>> > >>> (Raul MIller recently suggested I use Process Explorer - it shows > >>> the same > >>> information as far as I can see.) > >>> > >>> Task Manager refused to terminate these tasks. ("Unable to terminate > >>> process - > >>> The operation could not be completed. Access is denied") > >>> Restarting windows removed them of course. > >>> > >>> I had added some stuff to the startup.ijs file, trying to establish > >>> threads, and > >>> I wondered whether that was creating a problem given Henry's changed > >>> some > >>> behaviour; After commenting out those operations in the startup, > >>> opening > >>> the exes still results in suspended status. > >>> > >>> I'm not aware of having changed the setup in any way other than > >>> doing the > >>> upgrade, until I altered the startup.ijs file, anyway. > >>> > >>> It's difficult to give any useful information. > >>> > >>> Any ideas? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> On 20/05/2022 16:06, Eric Iverson wrote: > >>>> J904-beta-d is available for windows/linux/macos. > >>>> > >>>> If you already run J904-beta, then upgrade is easy: > >>>> load'pacman' > >>>> 'upgrade'jpkg'jengine' > >>>> > >>>> If you have not yet installed J904-beta, time to get started! > >>>> https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/Installation/J904 > >>>> <https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/Installation/J903> > >>>> > >>>> Release notes: > >>>> https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/ReleaseNotes/J904 > >>>> <https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/ReleaseNotes/J903> > >>>> > >>>> Questions/bug reports/etc. should go to the beta forum. > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
