Does the problem occur loading an empty profile (as opposed to not loading a profile at all)?
Thanks, -- Raul On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 2:12 PM 'Michael Day' via Beta <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks. I have already tried commenting out parts of my startup.ijs file. > As I can't start any of jconsole, JHS (uses jconsole, I know), or > JQt, I'm > assuming that, say, my JQt specific config file is not responsible. > > Anyway, I had no success with that approach with startup.ijs; it > mostly has > definitions of things I use, but nothing much is actually done. It does > allocate > processes with setproc_affin_ but commenting that out made no difference. > > profilex.ijs doesn't do much: > user=. install,'\user' > and later > temp=. user,'\temp' > config=. user,'\config' > > Commenting these out also doesn't affect matters. > > The other files in ~user/config haven't been modified recently, ie not > since > I upgraded J904. > > I see there's a configure.ijs file in ~system/util , but, along with > all the other > files in that folder, I haven't altered it. All those files have a > date-stamp of > 9/Apr/22 23:27, presumably the when J904 files were created, or when I > installed them. > > I don't know where else to look that might have varied the start-up > process, so > don't see how to do a binary chop. > > I'll soldier on with J903 for the time being! > > Cheers, > > Mike > > On 22/05/2022 16:14, Raul Miller wrote: > > One approach would be to bisect your profile. > > > > Basically, you are performing a binary search, tossing roughly half of > > your profile (save a backup), starting J, and repeating based on > > whether the problem occurs. > > > > Unless your profile is huge, you probably won't need many attempts to > > narrow things down. > > > > -- Raul On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 5:15 AM 'Michael Day' via Beta > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> OK - the Beta thread must be the right one - this problem has arisen for > >> me (only me?) on > >> upgrading from J904 beta-c to beta-d. > >> > >> Sorry to Raul and Bill - I've just realised yesterday's rushed message > >> was private; Bill wouldn't > >> have seen it. > >> > >> Re Raul's comments (below): Windows permissions are a pain. I'd > >> always assumed the ctrl-alt-del > >> method of summoning Task Manager would bestow admin privs. Anyway, > >> reopening it (TM), forcing > >> these privileges resulted in the same dialog box, failing to > >> terminate. I discovered the "killtask" > >> command, to be used in a cmd window. There's no trouble closing an > >> instance of JQt at level 903, > >> presumably because it's still running; however, J904 processes (qt or > >> console) can't be terminated, > >> even with admin privileges; it appears that if they're already > >> "suspended", nothing further can be > >> done, bar rebooting. As their memory is displayed as 32k, I might as > >> well live with them staying there! > >> > >> Re Bill's suggestion: > >> > >> Can you try start J with an empty profile? eg > >> > >> jconsole.exe -jprofile > >> jqt -jprofile > >> > >> Both work! The sessions aren't usable as all the startup stuff is > >> missing, and it's a long long time since > >> I used native J as it was meant to be! > >> > >> How can I test what is wrong, perhaps in my personal set-up? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> On 21/05/2022 14:45, Mike Day wrote: > >>> Apologies for wrong thread! > >>> > >>> V busy with a concert today, so thanks to you & Bill, but I’ll > >>> follow up yr ideas tomorrow > >>> Cheers, > >>> Mike > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > >>> On 21 May 2022, at 05:08, Raul Miller<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> (switching to general forum, which is hopefully the correct forum for > >>>> this kind of content... (also resending -- I thought I sent this > >>>> earlier but now it looks like it was not sent.)) > >>>> > >>>> If you are getting the message "Unable to terminate process - The > >>>> operation could not be completed. Access is denied" from task manager > >>>> or process explorer, likely you need administrative privileges to > >>>> terminate that process. > >>>> > >>>> If you are using process explorer, you can ask it to restart itself > >>>> with administrative privileges by selecting the menu option: File > > >>>> Show Details for All Processes. > >>>> > >>>> (But, I have not yet tried windows 11. I'm sort of waiting for things > >>>> to settle down a bit more, before I try it.) > >>>> > >>>> I hope this helps, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Raul > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 5:05 PM 'Michael Day' via Programming > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> Thanks. The upgrade was easy, but the result is unfortunate, at > >>>>> least on this laptop running Windows 11. > >>>>> > >>>>> Attempting to open any of Jqt, JHS, Jconsole does establish a new > >>>>> instance of > >>>>> jqt.exe or jconsole.exe, according to the details display of Task > >>>>> Manager, but it > >>>>> immediately shows its status as "suspended." > >>>>> > >>>>> (Raul MIller recently suggested I use Process Explorer - it shows > >>>>> the same > >>>>> information as far as I can see.) > >>>>> > >>>>> Task Manager refused to terminate these tasks. ("Unable to terminate > >>>>> process - > >>>>> The operation could not be completed. Access is denied") > >>>>> Restarting windows removed them of course. > >>>>> > >>>>> I had added some stuff to the startup.ijs file, trying to establish > >>>>> threads, and > >>>>> I wondered whether that was creating a problem given Henry's changed > >>>>> some > >>>>> behaviour; After commenting out those operations in the startup, > >>>>> opening > >>>>> the exes still results in suspended status. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm not aware of having changed the setup in any way other than > >>>>> doing the > >>>>> upgrade, until I altered the startup.ijs file, anyway. > >>>>> > >>>>> It's difficult to give any useful information. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any ideas? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> > >>>>> On 20/05/2022 16:06, Eric Iverson wrote: > >>>>>> J904-beta-d is available for windows/linux/macos. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you already run J904-beta, then upgrade is easy: > >>>>>> load'pacman' > >>>>>> 'upgrade'jpkg'jengine' > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you have not yet installed J904-beta, time to get started! > >>>>>> https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/Installation/J904 > >>>>>> <https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/Installation/J903> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Release notes: > >>>>>> https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/ReleaseNotes/J904 > >>>>>> <https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/ReleaseNotes/J903> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Questions/bug reports/etc. should go to the beta forum. > >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> For information about J forums seehttp://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >>>>> -- > >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>> > >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> For information about J forums seehttp://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For information about J forums seehttp://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums seehttp://www.jsof > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
