Wait... you can't start jconsole? That sounds like a serious problem, and possibly a permissions problem.
I've run into various parts of Windows failing in various ways (though whether that was sabotage or design is not apparent to me... but it has made me very cautious about upgrading to Windows 11. Today, for example, the problem I have been fighting is mouse events not going to the active window but instead going to some arbitrary different window. With different kinds of mouse events going to different windows.) And, debugging these things is difficult -- I lack the tools. And, support forums seem to also be populated mostly with people who lack the tools. Anyways... I would first focus on the problem of getting jconsole to run. I hope this helps, -- Raul On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 2:12 PM 'Michael Day' via Beta <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks. I have already tried commenting out parts of my startup.ijs file. > As I can't start any of jconsole, JHS (uses jconsole, I know), or > JQt, I'm > assuming that, say, my JQt specific config file is not responsible. > > Anyway, I had no success with that approach with startup.ijs; it > mostly has > definitions of things I use, but nothing much is actually done. It does > allocate > processes with setproc_affin_ but commenting that out made no difference. > > profilex.ijs doesn't do much: > user=. install,'\user' > and later > temp=. user,'\temp' > config=. user,'\config' > > Commenting these out also doesn't affect matters. > > The other files in ~user/config haven't been modified recently, ie not > since > I upgraded J904. > > I see there's a configure.ijs file in ~system/util , but, along with > all the other > files in that folder, I haven't altered it. All those files have a > date-stamp of > 9/Apr/22 23:27, presumably the when J904 files were created, or when I > installed them. > > I don't know where else to look that might have varied the start-up > process, so > don't see how to do a binary chop. > > I'll soldier on with J903 for the time being! > > Cheers, > > Mike > > On 22/05/2022 16:14, Raul Miller wrote: > > One approach would be to bisect your profile. > > > > Basically, you are performing a binary search, tossing roughly half of > > your profile (save a backup), starting J, and repeating based on > > whether the problem occurs. > > > > Unless your profile is huge, you probably won't need many attempts to > > narrow things down. > > > > -- Raul On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 5:15 AM 'Michael Day' via Beta > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> OK - the Beta thread must be the right one - this problem has arisen for > >> me (only me?) on > >> upgrading from J904 beta-c to beta-d. > >> > >> Sorry to Raul and Bill - I've just realised yesterday's rushed message > >> was private; Bill wouldn't > >> have seen it. > >> > >> Re Raul's comments (below): Windows permissions are a pain. I'd > >> always assumed the ctrl-alt-del > >> method of summoning Task Manager would bestow admin privs. Anyway, > >> reopening it (TM), forcing > >> these privileges resulted in the same dialog box, failing to > >> terminate. I discovered the "killtask" > >> command, to be used in a cmd window. There's no trouble closing an > >> instance of JQt at level 903, > >> presumably because it's still running; however, J904 processes (qt or > >> console) can't be terminated, > >> even with admin privileges; it appears that if they're already > >> "suspended", nothing further can be > >> done, bar rebooting. As their memory is displayed as 32k, I might as > >> well live with them staying there! > >> > >> Re Bill's suggestion: > >> > >> Can you try start J with an empty profile? eg > >> > >> jconsole.exe -jprofile > >> jqt -jprofile > >> > >> Both work! The sessions aren't usable as all the startup stuff is > >> missing, and it's a long long time since > >> I used native J as it was meant to be! > >> > >> How can I test what is wrong, perhaps in my personal set-up? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> On 21/05/2022 14:45, Mike Day wrote: > >>> Apologies for wrong thread! > >>> > >>> V busy with a concert today, so thanks to you & Bill, but I’ll > >>> follow up yr ideas tomorrow > >>> Cheers, > >>> Mike > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > >>> On 21 May 2022, at 05:08, Raul Miller<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> (switching to general forum, which is hopefully the correct forum for > >>>> this kind of content... (also resending -- I thought I sent this > >>>> earlier but now it looks like it was not sent.)) > >>>> > >>>> If you are getting the message "Unable to terminate process - The > >>>> operation could not be completed. Access is denied" from task manager > >>>> or process explorer, likely you need administrative privileges to > >>>> terminate that process. > >>>> > >>>> If you are using process explorer, you can ask it to restart itself > >>>> with administrative privileges by selecting the menu option: File > > >>>> Show Details for All Processes. > >>>> > >>>> (But, I have not yet tried windows 11. I'm sort of waiting for things > >>>> to settle down a bit more, before I try it.) > >>>> > >>>> I hope this helps, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Raul > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 5:05 PM 'Michael Day' via Programming > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> Thanks. The upgrade was easy, but the result is unfortunate, at > >>>>> least on this laptop running Windows 11. > >>>>> > >>>>> Attempting to open any of Jqt, JHS, Jconsole does establish a new > >>>>> instance of > >>>>> jqt.exe or jconsole.exe, according to the details display of Task > >>>>> Manager, but it > >>>>> immediately shows its status as "suspended." > >>>>> > >>>>> (Raul MIller recently suggested I use Process Explorer - it shows > >>>>> the same > >>>>> information as far as I can see.) > >>>>> > >>>>> Task Manager refused to terminate these tasks. ("Unable to terminate > >>>>> process - > >>>>> The operation could not be completed. Access is denied") > >>>>> Restarting windows removed them of course. > >>>>> > >>>>> I had added some stuff to the startup.ijs file, trying to establish > >>>>> threads, and > >>>>> I wondered whether that was creating a problem given Henry's changed > >>>>> some > >>>>> behaviour; After commenting out those operations in the startup, > >>>>> opening > >>>>> the exes still results in suspended status. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm not aware of having changed the setup in any way other than > >>>>> doing the > >>>>> upgrade, until I altered the startup.ijs file, anyway. > >>>>> > >>>>> It's difficult to give any useful information. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any ideas? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> > >>>>> On 20/05/2022 16:06, Eric Iverson wrote: > >>>>>> J904-beta-d is available for windows/linux/macos. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you already run J904-beta, then upgrade is easy: > >>>>>> load'pacman' > >>>>>> 'upgrade'jpkg'jengine' > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you have not yet installed J904-beta, time to get started! > >>>>>> https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/Installation/J904 > >>>>>> <https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/Installation/J903> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Release notes: > >>>>>> https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/ReleaseNotes/J904 > >>>>>> <https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/System/ReleaseNotes/J903> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Questions/bug reports/etc. should go to the beta forum. > >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> For information about J forums seehttp://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >>>>> -- > >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>> > >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> For information about J forums seehttp://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For information about J forums seehttp://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums seehttp://www.jsof > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
